Stop sinning #2

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

We will never face judgement for our sin if we repent and resolve not to sin again. Jesus didnt die so that we didnt need to repent for our sins.

Nobody is 100% sin free. Even the tiniest thing can be a sin.

We HAVE to do our bit by repenting when we do sin.

Are you sin free @Behold

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
We will never face judgement for our sin if we repent and resolve not to sin again.

but you've done that many times.
what now?

so, lets get away from the self saving and the "repenting to replace the blood of Jesus" legalism.

Lets instead read Colosians 2:13, and believe it.
Lets instead give Jesus all the credit due Him for saving you and keeping you saved, and stop trying to take the credit for what He did for you.
If you go to heaven, its not because you remembered all your sin and confessed them all.
Its because 'the finished work of Jesus on the Cross", is all that God will accept to accept you.

"Justification by faith", or not at all.

pescador · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
We will never face judgement for our sin if we repent and resolve not to sin again. Jesus didnt die so that we didnt need to repent for our sins.

Nobody is 100% sin free. Even the tiniest thing can be a sin.

We HAVE to do our bit by repenting when we do sin.

Are you sin free @Behold

Since our sins have been forgiven by Jesus' death why do you say that we have to go through sin-> repentance -> sin -> repentance -> sin -> repentance, ad infinitum? We are dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. "What shall we say then? Are we to remain in sin so that grace may increase? Absolutely not! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that as many as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?" Romans 6:2

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

pescador said:
Since our sins have been forgiven by Jesus' death why do you say that we have to go through sin-> repentance

I teach the opposite.
I teach , as Paul teaches, that if you are sinning and repenting, you are in the flesh, having no understanding of the Blood Atonement, or the Grace of God....which is WHY you are sinning and repenting.

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

Behold said:
but you've done that many times.
what now?

so, lets get away from the self saving and the "repenting to replace the blood of Jesus" legalism.

Lets instead read Colosians 2:13, and believe it.
Lets instead give Jesus all the credit due Him for saving you and keeping you saved, and stop trying to take the credit for what He did for you.
If you go to heaven, its not because you remembered all your sin and confessed them all.
Its because 'the finished work of Jesus on the Cross", is all that God will accept to accept you.

"Justification by faith", or not at all.

Jesus gave us the Our Father prayer remember. In it we say "forgive us our trespasses." We will sin, we still need to repent when we do sin. We still have to ask God to "forgive us our trespasses."

Also, Jesus sent out His Apostles to forgive sins. This, is still done today via Apostolic succession with Jesus forgiving our sins through his Holy priesthood.

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

pescador said:
Since our sins have been forgiven by Jesus' death why do you say that we have to go through sin-> repentance -> sin -> repentance -> sin -> repentance, ad infinitum? We are dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. "What shall we say then? Are we to remain in sin so that grace may increase? Absolutely not! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that as many as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?" Romans 6:2

You never sin then?

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
Jesus gave us the Our Father prayer remember. In it we say "forgive us our trespasses." We will sin,

No, you< will sin.
And anyone who does not understand how to stop, will sin. (works of the flesh).
This is caused by wrong believing, which you are explaining as your wrong understanding of Christianity.
God did not save us so that we can present the same sinning LIFE as found as the lifestyle of an unbeliever.
Believe it.

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
You never sin then?

There is no sin "in Christ".
Jesus has all my Sin.
I dont have "indwelling in"...I have INDWELLING CHRIST.
"sin" is found when you are under the dominion of the Law.
Im not under that dominion, im "under GRACE".
I dont confess or repent.
I do this... Galatians 5:16

I exits THERE.
Why do you not exist there?

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

Behold said:
No, you will sin.
And anyone who does not understand how to stop, will sin. (works of the flesh).
This is caused by wrong believing, which you are explaining as your wrong understanding of Christianity.
God did not save us so that we can present the same sinning LIFE as found as the lifestyle of an unbeliever.
Believe it.

So, you dont sin at all then?

I know i can turn to Jesus when i do sin. I dont take Him for granted. I know i need to repent and turn away from sin. How many times? 77 x 7?

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

Behold said:
There is no sin "in Christ".
Jesus has all my Sin.
I dont have "indwelling in"...I have INDWELLING CHRIST.
"sin" is found when you are under the dominion of the Law.
Im not under that dominion, im "under GRACE".
I dont confess or repent.
I do this... Galatians 5:16

I exits THERE.
Why do you not exist there?

So, to be clear, yes or no, do you sin?

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
I know i can turn to Jesus when i do sin. I dont take Him for granted. I know i need to repent and turn away from sin. How many times? 77 x 7?

When you repent, God does not notice it.
He has already forgiven all you sin with the Blood of Jesus.
So, when you repent, all you are doing is making yourself feel better.
You feel that once you repent, God takes you back, makes you clean again..
In fact, you were made clean and are kept clean by the Blood of Jesus that was shed 2000 yrs ago.

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
So, to be clear, yes or no, do you sin?

Your question is not related to real Christianity.
Its related to unbelievers, who are in their sin, and who are sinning.
Unbelievers sin, and they need that sin to be dealt with.
The Born again, have already had their sin dealt with, by the Cross and the Blood of Jesus.

There is NO SIN "in Christ". because there is no sin found "under Grace".

Notice that Paul says that "Jesus always gives me the Victory"......that is over his flesh..
= No carnal deeds committed.
This is why he told us....>"if we walk in the spirit we will not sin"
If you walk in the mind of the flesh, carnal minded, you will commit carnal deeds.

pescador · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
Jesus gave us the Our Father prayer remember. In it we say "forgive us our trespasses." We will sin, we still need to repent when we do sin. We still have to ask God to "forgive us our trespasses."

Also, Jesus sent out His Apostles to forgive sins. This, is still done today via Apostolic succession with Jesus forgiving our sins through his Holy priesthood.

Jesus taught the "Our Father" prayer to his disciples who were not yet Christians. Since our "trespasses" have already been forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice, there is no need to ask for forgiveness for something for which we have already been forgiven.

We don't need the "Holy Priesthood" to forgive our sins. Peter wrote "But you [all Christians] are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may proclaim the virtues of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. You once were not a people, but now you are God’s people. You were shown no mercy, but now you have received mercy."

pescador · Jul 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
You never sin then?

a) Yes I sin occasionally
b) All my sins, past, present, and future, have been forgiven because of Jesus' sacrifice.

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

pescador said:
Jesus taught the "Our Father" prayer to his disciples who were not yet Christians. Since our "trespasses" have already been forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice, there is no need to ask for forgiveness for something for which we have already been forgiven.

We don't need the "Holy Priesthood" to forgive our sins. Peter wrote "But you [all Christians] are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may proclaim the virtues of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. You once were not a people, but now you are God’s people. You were shown no mercy, but now you have received mercy."

Repenting of what is forgiven 2000 yrs ago, is the game played by baby Christians, as their carnal lifestyle.

Behold · Jul 25, 2020

pescador said:
a) Yes I sin occasionally
b)

No you dont.
you do this.. if you are born again, until you are freed from "sin consciousness".
Once you are, you wont be doing these works.

Galatians 5

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

Behold said:
Your question is not related to real Christianity.
Its related to unbelievers, who are in their sin, and who are sinning.
Unbelievers sin, and they need that sin to be dealt with.
The Born again, have already had their sin dealt with, by the Cross and the Blood of Jesus.

There is NO SIN "in Christ". because there is no sin found "under Grace".

Notice that Paul says that "Jesus always gives me the Victory"......that is over his flesh..
= No carnal deeds committed.
This is why he told us....>"if we walk in the spirit we will not sin"
If you walk in the mind of the flesh, carnal minded, you will commit carnal deeds.

All i am asking is if you sin? Do you?

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

pescador said:
Jesus taught the "Our Father" prayer to his disciples who were not yet Christians. Since our "trespasses" have already been forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice, there is no need to ask for forgiveness for something for which we have already been forgiven.

We don't need the "Holy Priesthood" to forgive our sins. Peter wrote "But you [all Christians] are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may proclaim the virtues of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. You once were not a people, but now you are God’s people. You were shown no mercy, but now you have received mercy."

Obviously you have a different understanding of scripture.

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

pescador said:
a) Yes I sin occasionally
b) All my sins, past, present, and future, have been forgiven because of Jesus' sacrifice.

Do you repent when you sin my friend?

Lost4words · Jul 25, 2020

There is a false teaching in some churches that there is no debt for sin, and that Jesus paid it all back on the cross. This is obviously not true because there is still suffering in the world, and that suffering is a direct result of our sins. Jesus did pay back the debt for sin, but that payment opened the gates of heaven so that we could enter. The Old Testament “saved” were still in prison at the time of the crucifixion, and Jesus went to preach the gospel to them in their spiritual prison after his death (1 Peter 3:19). The gates of heaven are still open for us now, but we each have to pick up our cross as individuals and follow Jesus in (Matthew 16:24).

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