Stop Normalizing Trump

[childeye 2]

The person who wrote that article got all their education from San Diego State University, which is not known for conservative views.

Conservatism has nothing to do with discerning the traits of Malignant Narcissism, and it doesn't matter where they got their education.

I view her viewpoint as being suspect.

Technically, it's not a viewpoint or opinion piece, it's just a website with information about dealing with Malignant Narcissism, written by an accredited professional. I think it even has a hotline for victims. There are several others I can show you.

Plus, you cited an internet source, which is not scientific.

I also provided an interview with Dr. Brandy Lee. If you want to experiment, let's do it. When Trump said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose a vote, do you think he actually believes that or not?

Labeling Trump with a derogatory label that can only be scientifically applied by a government-licensed expert on spreads misinformation and slander.

First off, it's not a derogatory label to say Trump shows all the symptoms of a Malignant narcissist. Either he shows them, or he doesn't and the mental clinicians that are saying he does show them give many examples that anyone can see. I provided an interview with Dr. Brandy Lee a government licensed expert who says that Trump shows all the traits/symptoms of a Malignant Narcissist.

Better to operate from grace rather than negative prejudice.

Of course you are correct to say that, but prejudice is a judgement made without adequate factual evidence and that is not the case here. Dr. Brandy Lee and all these other psychologists are simply stating there are observable behaviors exhibited by Trump that show the traits/symptoms of Malignant narcissism.

If you're short on time, look at around 7:25-8:10. Also18:00-19:00.

 

[childeye 2]

To be fair, sometimes the victims of those people are the last to recognize the diagnoses.

It's also hard to discern the difference between a personality and a persona.

 

[rambot]

ANYONE who is able to read a DSM and is honest with themselves is able to say "Donald Trump exhibits the traits of malignant narcissism". That isn't a diagnoses. The means you have knowledge of the traits and you watched them take place.

 

[IceJad]

I agree with Vivek Ramaswamy. It is not democrat or republican anymore,really. It is the "managerial class" That don't trust the people to vote. Dick, liz Cheny types, on republican side, and RFK, Tulsi Gabbard et. Democrat side.
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"Vivek Ramaswamy often discusses the divide between the managerial class and everyday citizens. He explores this topic in various podcasts and interviews, such as his conversation with Michael Lind on "The TRUTH Podcast"1. They delve into how the managerial class, often defined by higher education and corporate roles, contrasts with the broader population in terms of power and influence12.
Ramaswamy argues that this divide is one of the most significant issues of our time, affecting various aspects of society3. He believes that addressing this divide is crucial for creating a more equitable and democratic society2.

In a way yes. There certainly is a class of people who has been playing the "I know better" role in modern America. And in many ways they have succeeded in poisoning a sizable number of people into believing their views. To believe that the nation is in an existential threat from the opposing side. It is these poisoned people who do the most damage to society. Acting as enforcers without direct accountability back to the "managerial class". Manifesting their poisoned mindset into words and actions.

So indoctrinated are they, that they will resort to acts that run contrary to their goals. To dehumanized the opposing side because they perceive the opposing will do the same. To restrict the freedom of the opposing side for they perceive the other side is going to do the same. To visit the same evil as they perceive the other will. A perverted sense of righteousness.

Any wonder you see people protesting new agency for running a non-negative story on their opposing side? Or anti-hate groups spewing the most heinous hatred filled rhetoric? Inclusivity groups calling for exclusions? The scary part is none of these people believe they are in the wrong.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

People who read my posts, know that Trump's personality is not my cup of tea.

However, it is important to note that to 50% of Americans, his behavior is normal.

 

[IceJad]

People who read my posts, know that Trump's personality is not my cup of tea.

However, it is important to note that to 50% of Americans, his behavior is normal.

As a non-American I personally don't have high opinion of any US politician. Be it Kamala or Trump or any others for that matter. No matter how much I do not fancy them I don't view their behaviors to be abnormal. At time immoral maybe but not beyond the parameters of human behavioral norm. I would say it is more of a calculated display than subconscious action. I have seen and interacted with people who's behavior are abnormal - clinically.

If 50% of the nation view Trump as normal are they wrong? And if 50% of the nation view Kamala as normal are they wrong?

 

[childeye 2]

If 50% of the nation view Trump as normal are they wrong?

I doubt 50% think Trump exhibits normal behavior.

And if 50% of the nation view Kamala as normal are they wrong?

That's not what the thread is about, but she's not claiming only she can save the Nation.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

If 50% of the nation view Trump as normal are they wrong? And if 50% of the nation view Kamala as normal are they wrong?

Normalcy is a relative concept so neither are wrong in terms of America.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Of course. Historically, some anti-fascists were anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists.

And in my anti-fascism, may I also be permitted to be an anti-arnarchist and anti-arnarcho-syndicalist in my political positioning as a democratic communitarian?

 

[Aldebaran]

A diagnoses isn't a requirement to victimize people.

Then where are all these "victims"?

 

[Aldebaran]

So? The world is bigger, and FAR better informed, than Christian Forums.

Why aren't you talking to them then?

According to his behaviours. What do you mean?

LOL! You made the statement, so you tell me.

Or are you the kind of person who justifies poor behaviours in people so long as you agree with them?

What poor behaviors???

Show me the healthcare professionals who agreed with your diagnoses....

I haven't diagnosed anyone.

John Gartener

Malignant Narcissism: Does the President Really Have It? – High Conflict Institute

And now that we are seeing "significant distress" (this has been reported in 1 to 1 interactions but is becoming MORE visible on social media) so I'm not totally sure the "Some say no" guy's argument is as strong (article is a bit old too). Regardless, even the "no" guy does not think much of Trump's behaviour.

It's interesting, as I read more and more people both supportive and critical of the idea that Trump has mental illness: There is one consistency between BOTH groups. They both say he displays many of the traits of NPD and both groups indicate Trump is not a president for a healthy democracy. Nobody sees his traits as overly admirable, healthy, or well adjusted.

Pffft. No he doesn't. Not according to experts.

Wow! A California democrat who has a bad opinion about Trump. About as rare as a doctor playing golf or a cop eating a donut.

Find me an expert in ANY field that thinks Trump is ACTUALLY a competent and WELL informed president. He took off his protective glasses and looked DIRECTLY AT A solar eclipse. Even a competent gr6 student knows to never ever do that.

I didn't know solar eclipse viewing habits were the basis you judge people by.

Trump is not acceptable despite:

I accept him, and he has my vote.
Those who don't accept him will have their "democracy" tested when they have to hand over power to the Trump administration. Let's see if Biden/harris can do that peacefully after declaring Trump to be the biggest threat to democracy (and others in their group who said he must be eliminated).

 

[Chesterton]

Normalcy is a relative concept so neither are wrong in terms of America.

Normality is pretty much the exact opposite of a relative concept.

 

[Aldebaran]

People who read my posts, know that Trump's personality is not my cup of tea.

However, it is important to note that to 50% of Americans, his behavior is normal.

I only wish at least 50% of Americans could be just like Trump.

 

[QvQ]

That's not what the thread is about, but she's not claiming only she can save the Nation.

I watched Kamala give a speech about the Economy this morning.
She spent a few minutes talking about tax credits for small business
Then she started bashing Trump, on and on and on.
And Yes She Does Claim She is the Only One who can Save the Nation.... from Trump
She prattles on about it, ad nauseum.

 

[bèlla]

I only wish at least 50% of Americans could be just like Trump.

You can't be serious. Imagine that behavior in a high school or college campus and you'll see the problem. Trump is older now but I doubt you'd find him that appealing when he was younger. I've been looking at him for years when he was still with Ivana. He was cocky, arrogant and entitled. As are most at that age with significant means. No one who inherits $400 million dollars is like most Americans and mimicking that isn't possible.

~bella

 

[childeye 2]

I watched Kamala give a speech about the Economy this morning.
She spent a few minutes talking about tax credits for small business
Then she started bashing Trump, on and on and on.
And Yes She Does Claim She is the Only One who can Save the Nation.... from Trump
She prattles on about it, ad nauseum.

Well, I doubt she said verbatim that she is the only one who can save the nation from Trump (via narcissism). But I grant you that as the Democratic nominee, she's the only one who has a chance of beating Trump in the election.

 

[IceJad]

Normalcy is a relative concept so neither are wrong in terms of America.

Normalcy is not relative. It sits on a wide spectrum that varies across cultures. However there are boundaries that everyone will agree to about abnormality. But that's besides the point.

I would like to know in full context of the statement that note 50% of Americans think Trump's behavior is normal. What are the correlations or understanding should I derive from it? It seems to slant towards the capacity of the 50% to make sound judgement. And I do hope that is not the implications I should be deriving from it.

 

[IceJad]

I doubt 50% think Trump exhibits normal behavior.

That's not what the thread is about, but she's not claiming only she can save the Nation.

And you would have missed my point. I made no claims about the capability of any US politicians. I could care less in fact about any US politicians.

I merely want the poster to elaborate on his views about others. I only wish to probe his own inner thoughts about the group of people who views his unfavored person with normalcy. It fascinates me how people view their fellow citizens.

 

[FireDragon76]

And in my anti-fascism, may I also be permitted to be an anti-arnarchist and anti-arnarcho-syndicalist in my political positioning as a democratic communitarian?

You are aware that anarchism and communitarianism aren't necessarily at odds? Anarchism is based on a critique of social and economic hierarchies, and communitarianism is based on a critique of classical liberal individualism. There's alot of potential overlap.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Normality is pretty much the exact opposite of a relative concept.

Normal is what people consider normal in a general region. Over time, what is normal changes.