Stop Normalizing Trump

[Hazelelponi]

Well yeah, I agree it's definitely hyperbolic on its face, but I don't see it as jesting. I think he really believes it because he's talking about how smart "his" people are.

And here's the rub. Smart people would not be so blind in their loyalty to a single person that they would vote for that person even if that person would shoot someone on fifth avenue. But "HIS" "SMART" people are so blind in loyalty to him, that they would vote for him even if he tried to put himself above the constitution and get his party to reject the valid votes of the people.

And it was hilarious! Totally had us all dying with laughter because it was true in a way.

I thought he was going to be my little protest vote telling the Republican party during a primary season what kind of political policy I wanted going forward because clearly the Republicans had not yet gotten the message we cared about policies and not how they looked on television.

What none of us expected, including Donald J. Trump himself, was for him to become the teflon man....

What he said he said in a hilarious way, but there was an air of truth to it, which is what makes comedy humorous.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well yeah, I agree it's definitely hyperbolic on its face, but I don't see it as jesting. I think he really believes it because he's talking about how smart "his" people are.

And here's the rub. Smart people would not be so blind in their loyalty to a single person that they would vote for that person even if that person would shoot someone on fifth avenue. But "HIS" "SMART" people are so blind in loyalty to him, that they would vote for him even if he tried to put himself above the constitution and get his party to reject the valid votes of the people.

Or maybe you're just mischaracterizing not only what he said, but are also mischaracterizing those who would vote for him.
But don't worry, he isn't shooting anyone. He's being shot at, so maybe it's the other side of the political spectrum you should be looking at with suspicion.

 

[Aldebaran]

But with Trump it is not obvious. Anyone else it would be.

That's only true for those who choose to view anything Trump says/does with suspicion.

 

[childeye 2]

Or maybe you're just mischaracterizing not only what he said, but are also mischaracterizing those who would vote for him.
But don't worry, he isn't shooting anyone. He's being shot at, so maybe it's the other side of the political spectrum you should be looking at with suspicion.

Like I said on record, it's definitely hyperbole (the shooting someone part). But I'm not mischaracterizing what he meant about his followers.

 

[rambot]

Huh. I always took that comment 100% literally and I continue to believe it's true.

 

[rambot]

Or you could go to Glenn Beck's radio program and hear how much sense Trump has been making in his bid to become president.

Yeah. Sense like people eating dogs and cats. Sense like that. Or the Sense or his truth social media posts.

 

[comana]

What I believe is that if someone is a narcissist (malignant or otherwise), he wouldn't take a bullet and keep on campaigning, especially when another guy is waiting with another bullet to try to finish the job. A narcissist in Trump's position would realize he's got a lot of money already, and has already been to the top of the political world, and is now time to just sit back and relax in comfort and focus on himself at this point in his life, and not have a care in the world about where this country is headed since he's already 78 years old and could live out the rest of his days in comfort without traveling around the country campaigning to make this country great again.

But instead, he puts it all on the line, gets sued and prosecuted, loses lots of money, gets shot at, and then has to put up with slander from people who anonymously go online to label him as a "malignant narcissist".

Narcissistic behavior does not align with common sense.

 

[rambot]

Narcissistic behavior does not align with common sense.

For some authoritarian leadership IS common sense.

 

[rambot]

What I believe is that if someone is a narcissist (malignant or otherwise), he wouldn't take a bullet and keep on campaigning, especially when another guy is waiting with another bullet to try to finish the job. A narcissist in Trump's position would realize he's got a lot of money already, and has already been to the top of the political world, and is now time to just sit back and relax in comfort and focus on himself at this point in his life, and not have a care in the world about where this country is headed since he's already 78 years old and could live out the rest of his days in comfort without traveling around the country campaigning to make this country great again.

This is, in no way, an informed understanding of how narcissists work..or what motivates them. So why "believe" something that is incorrect?

 

[Aldebaran]

Like I said on record, it's definitely hyperbole (the shooting someone part). But I'm not mischaracterizing what he meant about his followers.

Yes, you are.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah. Sense like people eating dogs and cats. Sense like that. Or the Sense or his truth social media posts.

Is that something Glenn Beck said? I don't remember him saying that.

 

[Aldebaran]

Narcissistic behavior does not align with common sense.

So if his actions are actually not narcissistic even when his haters accuse him of being narcissistic, you condemn him for not aligning with your accusation.
IOW, you condemn him no matter what?

 

[Aldebaran]

This is, in no way, an informed understanding of how narcissists work..or what motivates them. So why "believe" something that is incorrect?

I'll wait for you to prove it incorrect before I answer that.

 

[rambot]

I'll wait for you to prove it incorrect before I answer that.

OK. You think a clinical narcissist will just stop behaving like a narcissist.

How about that?

 

[rambot]

Is that something Glenn Beck said? I don't remember him saying that.

I'm there's a lot of ridiculous things you don't remember him saying.

For greater impact here's a remix..

 

[Aldebaran]

OK. You think a clinical narcissist will just stop behaving like a narcissist.

How about that?

I asked you to prove your earlier assertion, but now you make a strawman argument and ask what I think of it.

 

[comana]

So if his actions are actually not narcissistic even when his haters accuse him of being narcissistic, you condemn him for not aligning with your accusation.
IOW, you condemn him no matter what?

He does not exhibit common sense. His actions are very narcissistic.

 

[rambot]

I asked you to prove your earlier assertion, but now you make a strawman argument and ask what I think of it.

It's not a strawman argument. You believe a narcissist can just turn off his narcissism and kick back and and focus on himself?

You don't even understand thr basis of narcissism..let alone a clinically significant example.

. A narcissist in Trump's position would realize he's got a lot of money already, and has already been to the top of the political world, and is now time to just sit back and relax in comfort and focus on himself.

It's not about him thinking about himself, it's about everyone else thinking about him. Like at it's basic level you miss that.

When he cheats at golf, as he does regardless of circumstance or who he plays with you think he does that because he thinks he's so great? No. He does that because because his fragile ego could not accept him performing poorly;even when he plays against tiger woods!

The fragility of narcissist egos gets masked by bombastic self promotion and pompous behaviours. It's a trait.

 

[Aldebaran]

He does not exhibit common sense. His actions are very narcissistic.

And your arguments are circular and unsupported.

 

[comana]

And your arguments are circular and unsupported.

My argument is supported by observation of his behavior. It’s not hard to recognize for anyone who has dealt with narcissistic behavior before.