Stop Normalizing Trump

[Chesterton]

Wow. I would love to sit down and debate these guys or anyone who agrees with their point of view.

Contact them. Good luck.

You can see or read mental health experts speaking about it online. Or you can go to YouTube and find several psychiatrists talking about it there. Or you can read the Book "The dangerous case of Donald Trump", The book's editor Dr. Brandy Lee showcases 27 psychiatrists who openly talk about it. Here is a short interview with Lawrence O'Donnell.

Go to 4:45 if you're in a hurry.

Hilarious. I see why you suggested people start listening at 4:45. So we'd skip over the part where the discussion is about how unethical it is for a medical professional to publicly speak about a "diagnosis" of a person they've never met, much less diagnosed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Or you could go to Glenn Beck's radio program and hear how much sense Trump has been making in his bid to become president.

I did not think you could lower my opinion of Glenn Beck's intellect (or is it honesty). I've listened to long segments of Trump speaking this year, he often does not make much sense.

 

[childeye 2]

Or you could go to Glenn Beck's radio program and hear how much sense Trump has been making in his bid to become president.

I can evaluate Trump's words on my own.

 

[Aldebaran]

I can evaluate Trump's words on my own.

Let's see your credentials.

 

[ralliann]

First off, I wouldn't "take off all the transgender stuff", because that is one huge sticking point for people. (to many people, a narcissistic blow-hard like Trump seems less abnormal to them than what they perceive as "men in the womens changing room"). You can't hedge with taking out one of the key things people are divided over.

Seems less abnormal? He is normal and they are abnormal

That'd be like saying "Ignoring all the criminal activity and dog whistles for a moment, what's so bad about Trump?"


Apart from that...

Politicians giving lipservice to the "defund the police" movement and BLM, advocating for late-term elective abortions and drifting away from "safe, legal and rare" to "shout your abortion", student loan forgiveness (in an educational environment that's drifted consistently left for the last 10 years), proposals for unrealized capital gains taxes, "Cancel culture" efforts, expanding multi-culturalism, calling people bigots if they want stronger borders...

And bogus lawsuits...

There's a key difference between how conservatives and progressives view each others movements.

While conservatives tend to realize that the progressive "movement" doesn't live or die with any one person, progressives tend to not realize that about conservatives. Progressives tend to talk as if "If Trump never existed, none of this would be happening". When, in reality, there would've just been another "Trump'ish" person to fill that void.

His rise to power didn't happen in a vacuum. It's not as if it's a situation where if there was no Trump, conservatives would've been magically laid back abut rapid changes pertaining all of the aforementioned, all within a 4-year time window.


But to circle back around, my response to the other poster was still valid... Protestors barking outside of the HQ's of places like NY Times and WaPo, claiming that those kinds of publications are "sane-washing" and/or normalizing Trump is, like I said, misdirected anger.

You and I can disagree about "Left's policies making Trump seem more normal to the right-wing" vs. "Trump does it so much, people are desensitized"...whether I'm right, or you're right...either way, the protestors in question are wrong. Whatever the cause is of the "perceived Trump normalizing", it's certainly not the publications that have been calling him a unique threat for the last 4 years.

NY Times has ran pieces about him being "thuggish", "autocratic", "having the capacity to upend democratic norms", uniquely racist, "representing all that is wrong with the American right", "Jim Crow 2.0", etc...

What else, exactly, do these protestors want the NY Times and WaPo to say about him? Are they just wanting them to run a hit piece called "Trump: The New Hitler" before they'll be satisfied with NY Times' coverage about him?

That is what basically happened with all the law suits

 

[rambot]

I'll wait for his/her medical degree to be posted before I accept that.

Ahh yes. Shroedinger's diagnoses.

That's the cool thing. A psychopath isn't a psychopath until an official diagnoses.

So long as Trump NEVER gets a mental health assessment or appropriately assessed, he behaves appropriately and respectfully with other people. He can continue to demonstrate ALL the symptoms...
But now SUDDENLY the "anti-elitists" will only listen to an "elitist" doctor.

That's how mental health works I guess.

 

[childeye 2]

Hilarious. I see why you suggested people start listening at 4:45. So we'd skip over the part where the discussion is about how unethical it is for a medical professional to publicly speak about a "diagnosis" of a person they've never met, much less diagnosed.

Is that what you thought? That's not God talking to you.

If you notice, it was alleged that I was using "Malignant Narcissist" as a slur (name calling), and that it wouldn't be considered otherwise unless I showed medical credentials. Since I'm not a psychiatrist yet I wasn't using it as a slur, to disprove that allegation, I showed psychiatrists who have said the same thing.

FYI, I was unaware that the interview contained the part you speak about, but I think it's good that Lawrence O'Donnell was upfront in pointing out there hasn't been a mental diagnosis performed on Donald Trump, nor have I claimed there was.

To be clear, I only wanted to show I wasn't being a name caller. I said the same thing the psychiatrists said, that he shows all the traits or symptoms of a Malignant Narcissist. My information came from a website for victims and how to tell if you're dealing with a Malignant Narcissist.

 

[ralliann]

That's is why I call their view of the world delusional. In a way they are brainwashed. It is very hard to deprogram a person who has convinced himself/herself that they have the absolute truth. Even when presented with the true situation they will mentally refuse to concede.

Which is also the reason why so many of them act irrationally aggressive towards others.

Of course you're not fascist. No well adjusted person will even say that. Don't burden yourself with thoughts of your own inequities, the fault is clearly theirs. Anti-fascist using tactics a fascist would use is not an untrue observation from bias perspective. I can say that for I'm not American, I support neither the Red nor the Blue team. I only observe.

But to be fair both sides have people who - how should I call it - unhinged. It is sad that regular folks like yourself are caught up in the middle.

I agree with Vivek Ramaswamy. It is not democrat or republican anymore,really. It is the "managerial class" That don't trust the people to vote. Dick, liz Cheny types, on republican side, and RFK, Tulsi Gabbard et. Democrat side.
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"Vivek Ramaswamy often discusses the divide between the managerial class and everyday citizens. He explores this topic in various podcasts and interviews, such as his conversation with Michael Lind on "The TRUTH Podcast"1. They delve into how the managerial class, often defined by higher education and corporate roles, contrasts with the broader population in terms of power and influence12.
Ramaswamy argues that this divide is one of the most significant issues of our time, affecting various aspects of society3. He believes that addressing this divide is crucial for creating a more equitable and democratic society2.

 

[childeye 2]

Let's see your credentials.

People don't need credentials to spot malignant narcissism.

How to identify a malignant narcissist

 

[Aldebaran]

Ahh yes. Shroedinger's diagnoses.

Better than medical diagnosis being done by randos on the internet, right?

That's the cool thing. A psychopath isn't a psychopath until an official diagnoses.

That's science for ya! Anything else is misinformation, or "repeating false claims".

So long as Trump NEVER gets a mental health assessment or appropriately assessed, he behaves appropriately and respectfully with other people. He can continue to demonstrate ALL the symptoms...
But now SUDDENLY the "anti-elitists" will only listen to an "elitist" doctor.

Well, what do you want me to do other than subscribe to what I hear on the news about how only a person licensed by the government can truthfully tell me about someone's health?

That's how mental health works I guess.

Welcome to a world where only government-approved people have a voice that should be listened to.

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't need credentials to spot malignant narcissism.

How to identify a malignant narcissist

Maybe in your own mind. But if you expect to have credibility, you need government-issued credentials. Anything else is not science.

 

[childeye 2]

Maybe in your own mind. But if you expect to have credibility, you need government-issued credentials. Anything else is not science.

Anybody can spot a Malignant Narcissist. how to spot a malignant narcissist

Maybe in your own mind you think nobody can without a license.

 

[rambot]

Better than medical diagnosis being done by randos on the internet, right?

He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.

Enough that more than a few psychologists have made those connections and suggested those as possible diagnoses.

That's science for ya! Anything else is misinformation, or "repeating false claims".

He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.

Well, what do you want me to do other than subscribe to what I hear on the news about how only a person licensed by the government can truthfully tell me about someone's health

After months and years of diagnosing Biden with Dementia, suddenly right wingers only listen to "doctors". Pulease.

Welcome to a world where only government-approved people have a voice that should be listened to.

People are smarter than you and know more than you on certain topics. Deal with it. I have. Mental health is something I am fairly well versed in but I know enough to trust trained psychologists.

I'm sure you'd trust trump over pretty much any actual expert on anything...though I'm happy to be wrong.

 

[rambot]

Anybody can spot a Malignant Narcissist. how to spot a malignant narcissist

Maybe in your own mind you think nobody can without a license.

To be fair, sometimes the victims of those people are the last to recognize the diagnoses.

 

[Aldebaran]

Anybody can spot a Malignant Narcissist. how to spot a malignant narcissist

Maybe in your own mind you think nobody can without a license.

The person who wrote that article got all their education from San Diego State University, which is not known for conservative views. I view her viewpoint as being suspect. Plus, you cited an internet source, which is not scientific.
Labeling Trump with a derogatory label that can only be scientifically applied by a government-licensed expert on spreads misinformation and slander. Better to operate from grace rather than negative prejudice.

 

[Aldebaran]

He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.

Enough that more than a few psychologists have made those connections and suggested those as possible diagnoses.

None with credentials are here.

He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.

According to who? People who claim Trump to be guilty of things whether he's been convicted of them or not?

After months and years of diagnosing Biden with Dementia, suddenly right wingers only listen to "doctors". Pulease.

After those same months and years of being told Biden is "full of energy and sharp as a tack", suddenly Left wingers.....well, you get the idea.

People are smarter than you and know more than you on certain topics. Deal with it. I have. Mental health is something I am fairly well versed in but I know enough to trust trained psychologists.

Let the trained psychologists show their credentials here.

I'm sure you'd trust trump over pretty much any actual expert on anything...though I'm happy to be wrong.

He speaks about political things, which he has already shown knowledge of by actually being president for 4 years.

 

[Aldebaran]

To be fair, sometimes the victims of those people are the last to recognize the diagnoses.

"Victims" who understand that a diagnoses hasn't actually been made, unless randos on the internet are somehow to be considered doctors as long as they are commenting on medical issues.

 

[FireDragon76]

Does being antifascist also mean I can safely be anti-Communist as well .............?

I'm asking because I'm just wondering how a firmly "anti-fascist" position works itself out in real, democratic time and space.

Haven't we in the U.S. been "anti-fascist" for several decades now already?

Of course. Historically, some anti-fascists were anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists.

 

[rambot]

None with credentials are here.

So? The world is bigger, and FAR better informed, than Christian Forums.

According to who?

According to his behaviours. What do you mean?

Or are you the kind of person who justifies poor behaviours in people so long as you agree with them?

After those same months and years of being told Biden is "full of energy and sharp as a tack", suddenly Left wingers.....well, you get the idea.

Show me the healthcare professionals who agreed with your diagnoses....

Let the trained psychologists show their credentials here.

John Gartener

John Gartner, Ph.D., is a psychologist who taught at Johns Hopkins University Medical School for 28 years. He says yes, the president has malignant narcissism, as follows in his chapter in the book Rocket Man: Nuclear Madness and the Mind of Donald Trump (2018):

Malignant Narcissism: Does the President Really Have It? – High Conflict Institute

And now that we are seeing "significant distress" (this has been reported in 1 to 1 interactions but is becoming MORE visible on social media) so I'm not totally sure the "Some say no" guy's argument is as strong (article is a bit old too). Regardless, even the "no" guy does not think much of Trump's behaviour.

It's interesting, as I read more and more people both supportive and critical of the idea that Trump has mental illness: There is one consistency between BOTH groups. They both say he displays many of the traits of NPD and both groups indicate Trump is not a president for a healthy democracy. Nobody sees his traits as overly admirable, healthy, or well adjusted.

He speaks about political things, which he has already shown knowledge of by actually being president for 4 years.

Pffft. No he doesn't. Not according to experts.

Find me an expert in ANY field that thinks Trump is ACTUALLY a competent and WELL informed president. He took off his protective glasses and looked DIRECTLY AT A solar eclipse. Even a competent gr6 student knows to never ever do that.

Trump is not acceptable despite:

 

[rambot]

"Victims" who understand that a diagnoses hasn't actually been made, unless randos on the internet are somehow to be considered doctors as long as they are commenting on medical issues.

A diagnoses isn't a requirement to victimize people.