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That's sumthin' to munch over, isn't it?
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Like a witness standing at the scene of a crime me thinks.
I always like muching on the Word/Lamb of GodThat's sumthin' to munch over, isn't it?
I always like muching on the Word/Lamb of God
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked and behold!
the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
Yepperz!Goodgoogaloogamooga! Did'ja notice that? I never noticed it before....
"having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads"
Both names!!!
Did the Judeans know they were breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen", as according to what they told the "Pilate" in John 18:13 it was not permitted to put to death anyone. I am doing a study on this in relation to Revelation so any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Did the Judeans know they were breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen", as according to what they told the "Pilate" in John 18:13 it was not permitted to put to death anyone. I am doing a study on this in relation to Revelation so any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
According to John 18:31, the Jews and their lae, they were not allowed to put to someone to death.so they were breaking the law then?
They were doing the same thing their fathers had done. In Christ's day they were resisting the Holy Spirit, and the same condition exists today - they are still resisting the Holy Spirit!"You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you" (Acts 7:51)
Acts 23 is also similar, where the high priest Ananias, commanded those standing by Paul to smite him on the mouth.Deut. 17:12 "The man who acts presumptuously by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the LORD your God, nor to the judge, that man shall die; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.
The stoners were in the wrong, not listening to Jesus Christ our priest who stood to hear the case.
Mrk. 14:60 The high priest (Caiaphas) stood up {and came} forward and questioned Jesus, saying, "Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?"
What is the name of the Father?Goodgoogaloogamooga! Did'ja notice that? I never noticed it before....
"having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads"
Both names!!!
How do you understand this? "I have come in my Father's name"John 5 said:43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me.
Is not God our only Savior? God, the Savior/Y'Shua.Isaiah 45 said:15 Truly, you are a God who hides himself, O God of Israel, the Savior.
If Messiah came in the name of the Father, and His given name to Mary is Yeshua, then baptism is done in the name of Yeshua, who is the name of the Father, the Son and of the Spirit of God.Matthew 28:19 said:Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
John 16:23 said:In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you.
Ephisians 5:20 said:giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
This is how giving thanks to God the Father in the name of Yeshua works. When we give thanks to God using the name Yeshua, we are in fact calling God Himself by name. Because Yeshua came in the name of the Father, when we do things in the name of Yeshua we are glorifying the name of the Father. Who is the only God, our Savior. One God, one name, by which all are to be saved.Col 3:17 said:And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
John 5:43 I have come in my Father's name,Acts 4 said:11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Not really sure what all of that has to do with the OPWhat is the name of the Father?
How do you understand this? "I have come in my Father's name"
I see this as God and Messiah having the same name. If I come in my fathers name, I call myself by the name of my father. Messiah's name is Yeshua. God our Savior.
Is not God our only Savior? God, the Savior/Y'Shua.
This brings light to these verses:
If Messiah came in the name of the Father, and His given name to Mary is Yeshua, then baptism is done in the name of Yeshua, who is the name of the Father, the Son and of the Spirit of God.
This is how giving thanks to God the Father in the name of Yeshua works. When we give thanks to God using the name Yeshua, we are in fact calling God Himself by name. Because Yeshua came in the name of the Father, when we do things in the name of Yeshua we are glorifying the name of the Father. Who is the only God, our Savior. One God, one name, by which all are to be saved.
John 5:43 I have come in my Father's name,
I don't see two names here. According to John 5:43 The name of God the Father revealed to us through Messiah is Yeshua, God our Savior.
Helpful insight. Never looked at it that way. ThanksHi
I think that the stoning of Stephen was also a catalyst in the spreading of the gospel.
The persecution caused the dispersion of the people.
According to John 18:31, the Jews and their lae, they were not allowed to put to someone to death.
So instead, they let the lawless Romans do their dirty work for them.
Jhn 18:31
Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law."
Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
Act 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW14.htm
What then was their problem? They were expressing an attitude of unbelief which was persistent and calculated rejection of the activity of God toward them. They were resisting the Holy Spirit, striving against the influence of God acting upon their minds and hearts.
Notice that later on Stephen was brought before this same group, and he said to them the same thing the Lord Jesus had said: They were doing the same thing their fathers had done. In Christ's day they were resisting the Holy Spirit, and the same condition exists today - they are still resisting the Holy Spirit!
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LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
According to John 18:31, the Jews and their lae, they were not allowed to put to someone to death.
So instead, they let the lawless Romans do their dirty work for them.
Jhn 18:31
Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law."
Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
Act 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW14.htm
What then was their problem? They were expressing an attitude of unbelief which was persistent and calculated rejection of the activity of God toward them. They were resisting the Holy Spirit, striving against the influence of God acting upon their minds and hearts.
Notice that later on Stephen was brought before this same group, and he said to them the same thing the Lord Jesus had said: They were doing the same thing their fathers had done. In Christ's day they were resisting the Holy Spirit, and the same condition exists today - they are still resisting the Holy Spirit!
Thank you brinny.Just reading this again. This is PHENOMENAL!!!!
Thks for that info...Me-thinks the OP has too much time on his hands.
If you read the Gospels, you will discover that Jesus Christ Himself was almost stoned to death.
And, I recall an Adulteress who was facing a crowd of people to stone her to death.
Stoning is a tried-and-true method of enforcing Mosaic law.
If the OP thinks that Revelation is affected by the stoning of Stephen, then I think he's going in the wrong direction.
That is a good point and thanks for clarifying that. Here are 2 instances where some of the lawless Jews wanted to kill Jesus and Paul:Correct. The OP is mistaking the Roman law for the Mosaic Law. Under The Law, assuming Stephen blasphemed God, killing him was legitimate.
When before Pilate, they were speaking of Roman law, where they didn't have the authority to kill anyone. The only reason they were going to Pilate in the first place was that they thought they could legitimately kill Jesus under The Law.
Theory only...edit:
Were the Judeans breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen" in Acts 7?
In John 18:13, they told Pilate it was not permitted to put to death anyone.
Any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
John 18:31
Pilate is then Saying then Pilate to them: "Be taking Him ye, and according to the Law of ye, judge! ".
Said to him the Judeans: "to-us not is permitted to put to death no-one".
Acts 7:
1 And the high priest said, "Are these things so"?...........
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
60 And having fallen on his knees, he cried in a loud voice, “Lord, do not place this sin to them.” And having said this, he fell asleep.
"Stoned" [no pun intended].........
Revelation 16:21
and hail, great as talent weight is descending out of the heaven upon the men
and the men blaspheme the God out of the stripe/blow of the hail,
that great is the stripe/blow of her, tremendous. [Isaiah 28:17,18]
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