Stoning of Stephen against the Law

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good point there, amigo :D
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Acts 6:10 And not they were strong/iscuon <2480> (5707) to withstand to the Wisdom and to the Spirit to which he talked.
Acts 7:1 And the High-priest said, "are these things so?"

Reve 12:8 and not He is strong/iscusan <2480> (5656), neither Place found of Them still in the Heaven. [Matt 21:43/Reve 20:11]
 
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Acts 6:10 And not they were strong/iscuon <2480> (5707) to withstand to the Wisdom and to the Spirit to which he talked.
Acts 7:1 And the High-priest said, "are these things so?"

Reve 12:8 and not He is strong/iscusan <2480> (5656), neither Place found of Them still in the Heaven. [Matt 21:43/Reve 20:11]

yes, they were dead-set against all he said and the One Who prompted him to say it....i pity their standing before an angry God, face to face...

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." ~Hebrews 10:31
 
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yes, they were dead-set against all he said and the One Who prompted him to say it....i pity their standing before an angry God, face to face...

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." ~Hebrews 10:31
Types and shadows :)

Matthew 26:3 Then were gathered together the Chief-priests and the Scribes, and the Elders of the people to the Court/Fold/aulhn <833> of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas

Revelation 11:2 and the Court/Fold/aulhn <833> within/*out of the Sanctuary, be thou Casting-Out/ek-bale <1544> (5628)! out-side/exw <1854>, and no her thou should be measuring............
 
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Did the Judeans know they were breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen", as according to what they told the "Pilate" in John 18:13 it was not permitted to put to death anyone. I am doing a study on this in relation to Revelation so any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks. :wave:

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Another way of looking at that stoning is to take it at face value. That there must have been some collusion between some Jews and some part of Rome. It was illegal to stone Jesus, but years later okay to stone Stephen.

Did that relationship between certain parties of each group continue and for how long? I can also say that the Mishna came into play after the temple destruction and certain Christians adopted the changed Passover times therefrom, in contradiction to how Christ observed it.
 
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...and they did not stone Stephen in ignorance. They knew excatly what they were doing.

Woe to the do-ers of such things, who know the Light, and attempt to "kill" it or the messengers of that Light.
 
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Another way of looking at that stoning is to take it at face value. That there must have been some collusion between some Jews and some part of Rome. It was illegal to stone Jesus, but years later okay to stone Stephen.

Did that relationship between certain parties of each group continue and for how long? I can also say that the Mishna came into play after the temple destruction and certain Christians adopted the changed Passover times therefrom, in contradiction to how Christ observed it.
The corrupt Judeans rulers were lying down in the same "bed" as the heathen Romans and what made them a "harlot"........

John 18:31 Saying then the Pilate to them " be taking Him ye, and according to the Law of ye, judge! ".
Said to him the Judeans "to-us not is permitted to put to death no-one".
 
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The corrupt Judeans rulers were lying down in the same "bed" as the heathen Romans and what made them a "harlot"........

John 18:31 Saying then the Pilate to them " be taking Him ye, and according to the Law of ye, judge! ".
Said to him the Judeans "to-us not is permitted to put to death no-one".

which was an off-shoot of their rejection of a relationship with the living God...in which God spews such from His mouth....
 
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which was an off-shoot of their rejection of a relationship with the living God...in which God spews such from His mouth....
Beware the circumcision :thumbsup:

2 Peter 2:22 Has befallen to them the of the true proverb, 'a dog turning to the own vomit/exerama <1829> and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire'.

Revelation 3:15 I am seeing of thee the works that neither cold thou are neither boiling/zealous/zestoV <2200> owe! cold thou were or boiling/zealous.
16 thus that indifferent/lukewarm thou are, and neither cold, neither boiling/zealous, I am being about thee to spew/emesai <1692> (5658) out of the mouth of Me.
 
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The corrupt Judeans rulers were lying down in the same "bed" as the heathen Romans and what made them a "harlot"........

John 18:31 Saying then the Pilate to them " be taking Him ye, and according to the Law of ye, judge! ".
Said to him the Judeans "to-us not is permitted to put to death no-one".

That was c30 and Stephen was stoned some 4-5 years later. Something changed. We don't read of a backlash from Rome against the Jews at that time.
 
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That was c30 and Stephen was stoned some 4-5 years later. Something changed. We don't read of a backlash from Rome against the Jews at that time.
That depends on ones view of Revelation :)

John 11:48 "If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him. And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away/arousin <142> (5692) of Us and the Place and the Nation" [Reve 6:6]

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7164949&page=2
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That depends on ones view of Revelation :)

John 11:48 "If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him. And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away/arousin <142> (5692) of Us and the Place and the Nation" [Reve 6:6]

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

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Doeth many miracles--Jesus and Stephen, so they killed them both.

Yes the Romans destroyed the place in 70ad, but not because of Stephen's stoning. At the earlier time, it appears there was agreement between the two (Jews and Romans) to destroy Christianity.
 
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Did the Judeans know they were breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen", as according to what they told the "Pilate" in John 18:13 it was not permitted to put to death anyone. I am doing a study on this in relation to Revelation so any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks. :wave:

I would imagine that a rabble collecting stones to hurl at someone would be pretty safe from the law. First of all, there was no police force to stop them. Secondly, they could kill the person and disappear very quickly. Thirdly, there is no evidence left except a body and a heap of stones, and fourthly, who is going to bear witness to who did the killing, and risk his own life.

In other words, the law is all very well and good, but without the ability to enforce the law, the people can very often do whatever they want. If their action was serious enough, under Roman rule, then the military would come down very hard indeed upon the people or its leaders, but the odd stoning here or there would be unlikely to cause a ripple, I think. Unless it were of a Roman citizen, perhaps. That might be different.

Why do you think the Israelite prophets spent so much time trying to put the fear of God into people, and threatening dire consequences for sin?

No police. :)
 
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But then Jesus' trial had been illegal too - it was held at night.

This is often claimed, but it is not the case. The rule about no trials at night time postdates the time of Christ. It is part of the Rabbinical legal system, but is not known to be part of the system in place before the fall of the Temple.

It is not likely that in conducting such a high profile case, involving both the King and the Procurator, that the Jewish authorities would have risked not following whatever was then due process of law. If they had just wanted Jesus dead, there were a thousand ways they could have achieved this. They wanted him discredited by being found guilty as a traitor to Rome, and a blasphemer to Judaism, and they wanted him executed by crucifixion, because death on a tree is the most shameful of all deaths for a Jew. Had the trial actually been regarded as illegal, the gospels would certainly have said so. Nobody claimed this at the time, so it is likely that the trial was predominantly in accordance with current practice.
 
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Another way of looking at that stoning is to take it at face value. That there must have been some collusion between some Jews and some part of Rome. It was illegal to stone Jesus, but years later okay to stone Stephen.

Did that relationship between certain parties of each group continue and for how long? I can also say that the Mishna came into play after the temple destruction and certain Christians adopted the changed Passover times therefrom, in contradiction to how Christ observed it.

That was c30 and Stephen was stoned some 4-5 years later. Something changed. We don't read of a backlash from Rome against the Jews at that time.

This is often claimed, but it is not the case. The rule about no trials at night time postdates the time of Christ. It is part of the Rabbinical legal system, but is not known to be part of the system in place before the fall of the Temple.

It is not likely that in conducting such a high profile case, involving both the King and the Procurator, that the Jewish authorities would have risked not following whatever was then due process of law.

Thank you for the observation :wave:
 
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How do you know the stones were striking their heads, at close range and with great force? :scratch: If they had been, Stephen would surely have lost consciousness quite quickly. This would surely have been the quickest way to shut him up; maybe they wanted to prolong his agony, even though this gave him further chance to speak/pray.

I agree that the Jews told the Romans that they were not permitted to put a man to death. This wasn't because of their law - the punishment for blasphemy was stoning under the law of Moses - but because they were an occupied nation, and had to either ask Rome for permission, or get the Roman authorities to do it for them. So yes, they were probably doing it illegally, without the authorities knowledge. But then Jesus' trial had been illegal too - it was held at night. The Jews may have been afraid of the Romans in some respects, but it obviously didn't stop them upholding their law when they felt it was right.
Yes, but at least He had a trial.....Stephen wasn't given that option....
 
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Acts 6:10 And not they were strong to withstand to the wisdom and to the Spirit to which he talked.

Acts 7:1 And the high priest said, "Are these things so"?...........
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon and saying, "Lord Jesus, receive the spirit of me".
What I find interesting LLofJ is something you mentioned where it states that "...Jesus was STANDING..."
No where else in the Bible do we see Jesus STANDING. We mostly hear of him SITTING at the right hand of the father.

Why was he Standing?? Good one to dicuss!
Like a witness standing at the scene of a crime me thinks

...
 
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