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Stoning of Stephen against the Law

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LittleLambofJesus, Jan 13, 2008.

  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Were the Judeans breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen" in Acts 7?
    In John 18:13, they told Pilate it was not permitted to put to death anyone.
    Any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
    :wave:

    John 18:31

    Pilate is then Saying then Pilate to them: "Be taking Him ye, and according to the Law of ye, judge! ".
    Said to him the Judeans: "to-us not is permitted to put to death no-one".

    Acts 7:

    1 And the high priest said, "Are these things so"?...........
    54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.

    59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

    60 And having fallen on his knees, he cried in a loud voice, “Lord, do not place this sin to them.” And having said this, he fell asleep.

    "Stoned" [no pun intended].........


    Revelation 16:21
    and hail, great as talent weight is descending out of the heaven upon the men
    and the men blaspheme the God out of the stripe/blow of the hail,

    that great is the stripe/blow of her, tremendous. [Isaiah 28:17,18]


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  2. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Another thing interesting I noticed. "Stephen" sees Jesus standing out of the rights of God and the word heaven is singular in verse 55 but plural in vs 56.
    Interesting also how it is similar to the event in Revelation 19. Thoughts?


    Acts 7:55
    Beginning yet full of Spirit, holy, gazing into the heaven, he saw glory of God and Jesus having stood out of rights of the God,
    56 and said "Behold!

    I am beholding the heavens being opened/anewgmenouV <455> (5772) and the Son of the Man out of rights having stood of God!"

    Reve 19:11
    And I perceived the heaven being opened/anewgmenon <455> (5772) and behold! A white horse and the One sitting on it being called Faithful-one and True-one
    and in justice He is judging and is battling.


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  3. LittleLambofJesus

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    No thoughts on this event in Acts in Relation to that event in Revelation?

    Acts 7:1
    And the high priest said, "Are these things so"?...........

    54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
    59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon and saying, "Lord Jesus, receive the spirit of me".

    Revelation 16:16
    And They are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: Be ye falling upon us! and hide Ye us! from face of the One-sitting upon the throne, and from the Wrath/orghV <3709> of the Lamb-kin
     
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  4. sunlover1

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    Interesting, I will try to post later though.
    I'm thinking that i am going to
    have a very busy next couple of days.

    love,
    sunlover
     
  5. Stinker

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    I know there are some things written in the Bible that are hard to believe. Where someone is being stoned to death, I just do not see how they could have the time and be so composed to orate the things that Steven and James the Just (brother of Jesus) are written to have said.....all the while stones were striking their head at very close range and great force. The New Testament says that it happened to Steven, so they must have done this away from the Roman eye.

    Acts 7:57-60 (King James Version)


    57Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
    58And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
    59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
    60And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

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    Hegesippus writes:

    Accordingly, the scribes and Pharisees
    &#8220; &#8230;threw down the just man&#8230; [and] began to stone him: for he was not killed by the fall; but he turned, and kneeled down, and said: "I beseech Thee, Lord God our Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." [stoning of James the Just]
     
  6. Rick Otto

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    I'd say you have a case on the point of law, but about the Revelation connection, I ain't got a clue.
     
  7. sunlover1

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    I"m not seeing the revelation correlation Lamb.
     
  8. Solidlyhere

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    Me-thinks the OP has too much time on his hands.

    If you read the Gospels, you will discover that Jesus Christ Himself was almost stoned to death.

    And, I recall an Adulteress who was facing a crowd of people to stone her to death.

    Stoning is a tried-and-true method of enforcing Mosaic law.
    If the OP thinks that Revelation is affected by the stoning of Stephen, then I think he's going in the wrong direction.
     
  9. Daral

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    Correct. The OP is mistaking the Roman law for the Mosaic Law. Under The Law, assuming Stephen blasphemed God, killing him was legitimate. When before Pilate, they were speaking of Roman law, where they didn't have the authority to kill anyone. The only reason they were going to Pilate in the first place was that they thought they could legitimately kill Jesus under The Law.
     
  10. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hi. Awhile back while I was studying on and translating Revelation, I came across this event in Reve 16 concerning the "hail".

    Could this also not symbolize a type of stoning? The greek word normally used for "plague" is actually used as "scourge/whip/stripes" in the rest of the NT.

    Notice the similarity in Isaiah 28:17 and the word most translations use "annull" in Isaiah which should actually be "atoned". Some Christ-ians view the Papacy/CC in Revelation. Thoughts?

    Reve 16:21 and hail, great as talent weight is descending out of the heaven up the mankind and blaspheme the mankind the God out of the blow/stripe/#4127 of the hail, that great is the blow/stripe of her, tremendous.
    [Isaiah 28:17,18]

    4127 plege {play-gay'} from 4141;; n f
    AV - plague 12, stripe 5, wound 4; 21 1) a blow, stripe, a wound 2) a public calamity, heavy affliction, plague,

    Isaiah 28:17 Also I will make justice the measuring line, And righteousness the plummet; The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will overflow the hiding place. 18 Your covenant with death will be atoned, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, then you will be trampled down by it.

    Nahum 3:2 A sound/voice of a Whip, and sound of a quaking wheel, and horse galloping, and chariot leaping. A horseman mounting. And blazing sword, and flashing spear, and many wounded and mass of corpses and there is no end to bodies
     
  11. Strong in Him

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    How do you know the stones were striking their heads, at close range and with great force? :scratch: If they had been, Stephen would surely have lost consciousness quite quickly. This would surely have been the quickest way to shut him up; maybe they wanted to prolong his agony, even though this gave him further chance to speak/pray.

    I agree that the Jews told the Romans that they were not permitted to put a man to death. This wasn't because of their law - the punishment for blasphemy was stoning under the law of Moses - but because they were an occupied nation, and had to either ask Rome for permission, or get the Roman authorities to do it for them. So yes, they were probably doing it illegally, without the authorities knowledge. But then Jesus' trial had been illegal too - it was held at night. The Jews may have been afraid of the Romans in some respects, but it obviously didn't stop them upholding their law when they felt it was right.
     
  12. New_Wineskin

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    Well , according to the Law , they had permission . Now , according to the what Rome's law was for them , they were not permitted .
     
  13. Rick Otto

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    Putting someone to death under Roman occupied Israel was illegal, but it was also anonymous...i.e. done in the streets as a form of vigilante justice so it was probably practical justice as no one could get pinned by the authorities.

    What did transpire in those who stoned Stephen still transpires in lesser forms of attack to this day.

    Whenever God's Word is handled/sown, satan comes immediately...so that puts Satan in pretty close proximity to EVERYONE...and Satan gets very aroused and angry over those matters BECAUSE he knows that at some time his temporal rule will END...and of course he fights that inevitability by "nature."

    Satan was "made" to resist God's Words. It's an AUTO-REPONSE syndrome. Satan cannot do anything BUT resist and that "resistance" transpires IN MANKIND...

    So we see Stephen, railing against those "in Israel" who were against God...and the slaves of sin, those sitting there...the people of that present time, perhaps did not even realize WHY they were so ANGRY...they just WERE, even though Stephen preached the TRUTH...then ANGER arouse in those who heard...

    Ya really gotta ask yourself "who" was "angry" in those people. They were not alone you know.

    The writers always put some very subtle yet very interesting notes in their accounts. One of my favorites is that the ones who stoned him "laid their cloaks" at the feet of Saul....what does that tell YOU?

    You asked for correlations to Rev. The correlative/allegorical links in scripture are beyond what I can measure...as the intricacies are vast, subtle, yet exceptionally intense...and in both directions...for example we see the stoning here on a physical plane with Stephen, and we see a couple or even more types of stoning allegorically in Rev.

    We really should take a clue that IF there is an entity class called the devil and his messengers that we cannot physically see as such, then God's interactions with them MUST be explained allegorically so WE can make the connections to what transpires between The Spirit and the Anti-Christ spirits.

    For example, in Rev. where you see the heavy hailstones, that is an allegory of Word, hardened to DESTROY the devil and his messengers...Head that way and some interesting things will begin to open for you, as I know they already have. I have been on the allegorical trails for some decades now, and the scriptures have kept me in rapt fascination and wonder for the entire time in that regard. I spend several hours a day with items of this nature.

    You will also come to see with my postings, that others will become exceptionally riled, unreasonable, and one mark all of these carry...they CONDEMN their fellow man whom WE are commanded to LOVE to be fried alive forever.

    I know "whom" I am talking to IN MEN when "these" come to fore, and they know me and we "resist" each other by opposing natures. This has solidified the reality of my Maker in this earth to me beyond any doubt or questioning. I started my own discoveries in these matters "in" myself.

    enjoy!

    squint
     
  16. LittleLambofJesus

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    :) I share the same view. The more I study on the Hebrew/Greek of the Scriptures, the more awed I become on just how "divine" the whole Book is concerning God's redemption of Mankind, from the casting out of the Garden in Genesis to once again being able to re-enter as shown in Revelation.
    Thanks for that inspiring post!!! AMEN!

    http://www.scripture4all.org/

    Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the Stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great Elohiym hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

    Daniel 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no Place was found for Them.
    And the Stone that smote the Image became a Great Mountain, and filled the whole Land.

    Matt 24:2 The yet Jesus said to them:, "Not ye are beholding all these. Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be being left here stone upon stone which not shall be being according-loosed/kataluqhsetai <2647> (5701)"
     
  17. squint

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    "You will be HATED by ALL MEN"

    "You will be HATED by THE WORLD."

    When we "turn" to face our "real enemies" who are NOT our fellow man...

    When we are divided "in the midst" from those enemies...even though they remain in our flesh...

    When the judgment of God comes upon this "whole world" to divide IT...

    You will find an acceleration that arrives from the HATRED side of these equations...yes HATRED. And you will also find an acceleration of "their" confusions, as God Himself comes to our aid and in our behalves.

    In order to be IN TRUTH...we have to be IN TRUTH.

    The "ugly" disclosure of TRUTH is that we have been BOUND with that vile force IN US...

    Yet God means this for our good in LONGSUFFERING...a QUALITY of ETERNAL LOVE...

    So THAT is being formed in ALL of us in our bindings to HIS ENEMIES...as well as a forthcoming experience in ETERNAL MERCY...not in that we committed the disobedience, but that we did not OVERCOME them sooner...those WIMPS! Those purveyors of SIN in US.

    On the one hand then we LOVE our enemies whom appear to us on the surface when we first come to Him to be ONLY our fellow man...

    THEN we learn that there are TWO there, and it makes sense. Perfect Sense.

    One will be taken...

    one will be LEFT.
     
  18. squint

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    IF we look at what is transpiring IN Stephen...under GOD's Power in speaking...we see the "arousal" of EVIL in the pawns of EVIL...

    57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord

    Satan's kingdom is not divided against itself. IT too functions as ONE. You can witness this oneness nearly everywhere on our planet today...
     
  19. ALABALE

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    What I find interesting LLofJ is something you mentioned where it states that "...Jesus was STANDING..."
    No where else in the Bible do we see Jesus STANDING. We mostly hear of him SITTING at the right hand of the father.

    Why was he Standing?? Good one to dicuss!
     
  20. sunlover1

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    :amen:
    Awesome obervation.
    I cant wait to hear any ideas.

    I'll give you mine but it's purely
    speculation, no biblical basis.

    One time, when I was in anguish
    over a decision, and chose the most
    difficult way (but which seemed righteous)
    rather than the comfortable way, I
    was telling God that I would obey Him,
    and if that's what he wanted of me,
    so be it.
    I swear that I saw Jesus standing at
    the right hand, in my spirit.

    I cry again right now just remembering it.

    Thanks Alabale!
    You've just blessed me
    very deeply by reminding me
    of just how much Jesus is
    rooting for us.

    Mondays can be rough lol.

    sunlover
     
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