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Starting to resent my husband

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Thanks, this is helpful because I see that what is happening is I'm just becoming angry and frustrated. I would imagine that an angry woman is not "safe" and that it would only serve to confirm his (false) idea that I'm a threat.
 
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Send him to read the Christian Men's Defense Network blog, and suggest he looks at all the blogs on the blogroll ofw that one. If he learns from what he reads, it will change him. I think you *will* like the change.
 
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Yeah, don't send your husband to any websites without checking out the content first. There is a lot of extremely bad stuff out there, including Christian men encouraged to "game" their wives. It's not a Christian concept. Far better to go to counseling and figure out your marriage with a Christian counselor, than have a bunch of angry men telling your spouse how he should "game" you.
 
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Thanks, this is helpful because I see that what is happening is I'm just becoming angry and frustrated. I would imagine that an angry woman is not "safe" and that it would only serve to confirm his (false) idea that I'm a threat.

Exactly. His belief that you are unsafe is absolutely untrue, but like with a lot of things, simply telling him that is not likely to do a whole heck of a lot of good.

Something that bears mentioning is that everything I've said is based on your situation sounding very similar to what mine was. There are other possibilities.However, I can't really think of any additional harm that can come to the situation by approaching it as if what I've said is what's going on and it turns out to be something else entirely.
 
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It's okay, he would just tell me that he would check out the site and than not *actually* do it, so it doesn't matter!
 
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I know what you mean, I've been trying to figure out what's going on here for many months though, and I think this might have hit the nail on the head...finally.
 
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It does sound controlling if a wife screens her husbands blogs, but we also have to take some care in recommending a site. If you are going to recommend a site, you do have to be careful. I've not spent more than a couple of minutes on the 'dahlrock' site, but I've heard some bad things about it on here, that there are men on there talking about gaming women, seducing unmarried women, and such. I don't know about the site that was recommended in one of the other posts here.

The ChristianForums married men's only page (this forum's men page) is pretty tame. I haven't seen anyone encouraging seducing unmarried women. Most of the topics are rather uncontroversial. I think a man could get some good advice for this type of situation there. The main problem with the forum is that it isn't all that active sometimes. If an interesting thread gets started, the forum becomes a little active for a few days.
 
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It does sound controlling if a wife screens her husbands blogs, but we also have to take some care in recommending a site.
Not so. It's a way to prevent further (and worse) marriage schisms caused by non-Christian "advice" and solutions. After all, he's not out there looking for it, she's being told to suggest it to him. She can either choose to suggest it or not, therefore, no screening involved, as he can always come across it himself.

I would not tell my husband about even the existence of the manosphere, and as he spends most of his time on gun forums and other male-oriented forums, I figure he has plenty of testosterone-fuelled communication already. If he ever finds it on his own, so be it, but if that's "controlling" to not tell him, then oh well, color me controlling.
 
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This may be good advice if it were true. However, if the poster took the time to actually read the sites she's so concerned with, she'd see that for the most part the Christian men on the sites talking about "gaming" one's wife are speaking AGAINST it.
 
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Jane,

I don't think a wife declining to tell her husband about a damaging website is being controlling. I was just pointing out something that sounded a little ironic to me.

I haven't searched the 'manosphere', but I know there are sites directed toward men on the Internet that can be very damaging. I haven't found a lot of good Christian sites for married men to discuss issues related to marriage or for men in general to discuss men's issues. Of course, I've only spent a little effort looking for such things.
 
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You guys, honestly I didn't give that website more than two seconds of thought. I didn't research it and than decide that I didn't want him seeing it because of some hidden motive. The truth is that I've sent him to dozens of websites and even some books to try to help him to understand my expectations, concerns, needs, wants, his role, etc. and I'm getting sick of him reading them and not changing, or not reading them at all and saying that he did, or reading them and forgetting what they said, or not even reading them.
 
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The thing is, information isn't going to help him change. If the issue is that he doesn't feel you are safe, then the only thing that is going to help is actually demonstrating to him that you are safe. Like I said earlier actions and not words are what is going to work.
 
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But respect is a HUGE deal to women, and often men want it at the expense of respecting their wives. Imo, the problem goes deeper than men needing respect. It's how couples can respect eachother. A man shouldn't feel disrespected, for instance, if his wife disagrees with him. If he doesn't honestly consider her idea, then he disrespects her.If he NEEDS respect because he feels entitled to it, and doesn't give his wife the same level of respect back, resentments are sure to grow. If there is any place the golden rule needs to rule, it's in marriage. Bottom line, if you as a man, would feel disresoected by something you feel fine doing to your wife, then you aren't operating by the Golden Rule, which allows for no double standards.
 
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I don't know....a healthy marriage is about equal exchanges: equal amounts of listening....equal amounts of sacrificing...etc. When there's obvious (I'm wanting to stay away from the word, "dysfunction").....imbalance----does it make sense to continue on in the same "broken" pattern? One term for a passive/aggressive is the "gingerbread man"....you know, "catch me, if you can." I wonder if a way to break the bad patterns would be to stop the "chase"?? (I'm not suggesting that as a "game" to play, but more of an attitude of personal resolve). One can truly turn themselves into a pretzel trying to soothe (and prove wrong) the untrue thoughts between another person's ears.
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Just agreeing with Romans and MK. Mutual respect - mutual love - mutual understanding .. THIS is what marriage is about. Not one having more of this one, or less of the other.

Also, yes, you can't play along with dysfunction. That would be enabling the dysfunction.
 
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I know what you mean here, and I think that stopping the "chase" is a first step for me. I think that I need to get self esteem back, and stop feeling so worthless and unloved and the only way to do that is to stop depending on someone who cannot give me these things. I am hopeful for future improvement, but I need to understand that it's going to take a long time, and I need to figure out a way to get my self back in order.
 
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I know, I see this now, and I agree with you 100%. I see that the only thing I can trust from my husband are his actions.

This morning before he went to work, he made a statement in the form of a confusing question, and I asked him why he was asking me something that he already knew...and he pretty simply stated that it was because he didn't trust himself to remember correctly (insecure?). That gives me hope, because he is aware of his weirdness to an extent.
 
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Your husband can't "give you" a sense of worth or self esteem. That's for you to work on for you, but not at the expense of your husband, iykwim. While your husband should absolutely love you, that isn't what your worth is about. Does that make sense? Your worth should come from you who you are in Christ, and knowing you are loved by God, and from a ton of other things, but don't look to a spouse for them "giving you" self worth. If that's not what you meanat, then I apologize, that's just the way I read it.

How do you figure you will "get [your] self back in order"? What does that look like?
 
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I also agree with this. The thing is, I *thought* we had mutual everything. I didn't see that I was walking around in a mess of guilt and anxiety because I was in overdrive trying to earn my husbands affection by pleasing him in a million ways (performance orientation?). I feel like I've been running on a treadmill since day one, but I didn't know it. At least now I can hit the stop button and rest.
 
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Gosh, I hate to say this because it seems like we're always looking for psychological stuff - but has he ever been tested for ADD and is there anything like that in his family? Some of the stuff you described, it sounds a bit more than just .. weird. No offense intended.
 
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