The OT Law was built on the premise that works save you.
No, it wasn't.
Even Christians in your own "Belief Alone Camp" would disagree with you on this one.
What was the Old Testament way of salvation? How was salvation different in the Old Testament than it is for us now?
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Side Note:
Please take note that I do not agree with everything Gotquestions says.
So, let me ask you this then:
Do you think works save you or keeps you saved?
Yes or No?
I will answer this with Scripture.
#1. “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (
James 2:24).
#2. "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (
James 2:17-18).
#3. "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (
Titus 1:16).
#4. “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (
Matthew 3:10).
#5. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (
1 Peter 4:18-19).
#6. "...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (
Luke 9:62) (cf.
Luke 8:11-15,
1 Corinthians 4:15).
#7. “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (
John 5:29).
#8. “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (
Matthew 25:41-46).
#9. “...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (
Matthew 19:17-19) (Also see Luke 10:25-28). (Note: Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments and then He explains how this involves loving your neighbor as yourself; Loving your neighbor is a good work - An example of loving your neighbor is given to us in the Parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37).
#10. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (
1 John 3:10).
#11. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 7:19).
Supplementary Passage (Context):
"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:26-27).
What sayings of Jesus are they not doing?
Two chapters earlier, Jesus says,
“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works,
and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:16).
(The Immediate context also refers to how those who bring forth evil fruit are the corrupt trees, i.e., inwardly they are ravening wolves or false prophets and yet those who bring forth good fruit are good trees):
”Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).
#12. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.’ (
John 15:5-6).
Supplementary Verse (Context):
”Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.“ (John 15:2).
Note: Notice the first half of John 15:2, Jesus is saying that the branch that does not bear fruit is IN Him.
Jesus says, “every branch
in me that beareth not fruit
he taketh away”
This branch IN Jesus that bears not fruit, He “taketh away”;
This obviously is referring to how they will be taken away to be cast into the fire (Based on the context - John 15:6).
#13. “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (
Galatians 6:8-9).
#14. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (
1 John 1:7) (Note: Walking in the light = Loving your brother according to the indirect wording in
1 John 2:9-11; Loving your brother is a good work).
#15. "These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds
they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; " (Jude 1:12).
As we can see, these false believers mentioned in Jude are without fruit.
This is why we are to constantly affirm to others to maintain good works (Titus 3:8).
In fact, Titus 3:14 says,
"And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful."
So we are to affirm works to other believers CONSTANTLY.
The brethren are to learn to maintain good works so that they are not unfruitful.
That's why.
If one is unfruitful, then they are like the false believers whose fruit is withered, and they are without fruit twice dead, and the roots pluck them up, as Jude warns.
Please address at least 2-3 of these verses above. If you don’t want to discuss these verses and you want to keep promoting your own ramblings, your thinking, your own questions, etcetera… we can simply hang up this conversation (Seeing you are not willing to deal with what God’s Word says).
May God bless you.