Spurgeon Preached Old Earth Creationism

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Present an actual challenge with
some data!
A few years ago I was in Washington state,
driving along the C9lumbia River gorge.
There was a huge basalt flow in that area.

The river cuts through and gives a good
cross section of hudreds of feet.

You can see it's not all from one event
because there's obvious layers, as from
soil forming between flows.
That does take a while.

Now, if you know of data showing this
is something that can happen in a flood
and one big flow of lava, please say so.

You did not say if you are committed to
last thursdayism. Please clarify.
I've said this enough that you should remember; the only thing I'm committed to is 'we do not know' how God did things... for me anyway, only that He did. As to the 'hows', it's all speculation.
 
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What have you got against Neptune?
The deuterium/hydrogen D/H ratio of Neptune is significantly less than the D/H ratio of the Earth's oceans, therefore Neptune's water cannot have come from the Earth (or vice versa).
 
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I've said this enough that you should remember; the only thing I'm committed to is 'we do not know' how God did things... for me anyway, only that He did. As to the 'hows', it's all speculation.
So give us an actual
challenge, remember?

Do you think it's just "speculation"
that Hawaiian islands were formed by
volcanoes and sand dunes are formed by wind?
 
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Nope, I think they believe it to the point that in every case they interpret it in a way that protects TOE.
It appears that you are suggesting that the ~97% of the scientific community which accept evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity let their biases corrupt them and that the few remaining creationist scientists are free of biases that allow them to interpret the evidence in the correct (religious) manner. Perhaps if the those creationists' scientists produced a modicum of research with evidence that they could apply to backup their assertions they might be able to shave off some of the other 97% to their religius beliefs.
 
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Nope, but I don’t think for one minute that mainstream scientists are going to remotely accept something that would prove them DAs… do you?
Tu quoque. I don't think for one minute that religious fundamentalists/young earth creationists are going to remotely accept something that would prove them DAs ... do you? In any case, there is much more evidence that the Earth and the universe are billions of years old than there is evidence that they are less than 10,000 years old.
 
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Imagine what the catastrophic conditions during the Flood did.
What Flood. Start with demontrating that there has been a "Flood" for starters.
And then you can proceed with detailing what these catastrophic conditions were.
 
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Nope, I think they believe it to the point that in every case they interpret it in a way that protects TOE.
Inquiring Mind: “Oh yeah, the millions and millions of years answer is the only possibility.”
Hans Blaster:” For the measured rock layers? Yeah, it is.”
Inquiring Mind: “There are varying opinions to that from scientists who don't have to have it so to protect TOE.”
Driewerf: “Are you now suggesting that an entire field of scientists -geologists - are conspiring and falsifying their results because the "true results" would show the ToE wrong?
Are you suggesting that you somehow now these "true results" - despite geologists publishing "falsified results"?
Inquiring Mind:” Nope, I think they believe it to the point that in every case they interpret it in a way that protects TOE.”


Let us applying to this to a well defined example. The Deccan Traps is one of the biggest lava fields on Earth. It is estimated to be the result of a series of eruptions that lasted for 30.000 years between 66 and 65 million years ago. Do you think that geologists are right about this or wrong?

 
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The deuterium/hydrogen D/H ratio of Neptune is significantly less than the D/H ratio of the Earth's oceans, therefore Neptune's water cannot have come from the Earth (or vice versa).
Neptune is four times larger than Earth, and has its own water.

A wodge of water from Earth would make a splash, but that's about all.
 
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Inquiring Mind: “Oh yeah, the millions and millions of years answer is the only possibility.”
Hans Blaster:” For the measured rock layers? Yeah, it is.”
Inquiring Mind: “There are varying opinions to that from scientists who don't have to have it so to protect TOE.”
Driewerf: “Are you now suggesting that an entire field of scientists -geologists - are conspiring and falsifying their results because the "true results" would show the ToE wrong?
Are you suggesting that you somehow now these "true results" - despite geologists publishing "falsified results"?
Inquiring Mind:” Nope, I think they believe it to the point that in every case they interpret it in a way that protects TOE.”


Let us applying to this to a well defined example. The Deccan Traps is one of the biggest lava fields on Earth. It is estimated to be the result of a series of eruptions that lasted for 30.000 years between 66 and 65 million years ago. Do you think that geologists are right about this or wrong?

Right about the age?
 
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It appears that you are suggesting that the ~97% of the scientific community which accept evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity let their biases corrupt them and that the few remaining creationist scientists are free of biases that allow them to interpret the evidence in the correct (religious) manner. Perhaps if the those creationists' scientists produced a modicum of research with evidence that they could apply to backup their assertions they might be able to shave off some of the other 97% to their religius beliefs.
Remember, we're dealing with spiritual wickedness in high places.

How many tries did it take the scientific community to reach 97% consensus?

How much tweaking and twirling of data had to go on, before astronomers, botanists, chemists, dendrochronologists, electricians, forensists, geologists, hydrologists, iamatologists, jejunes, kineticists, lamarckists, meterologists, naturalists, ophthalmologists, petrologists, qu... (skip it), radiologists, seismologists, thermodynamists, urologists, vivisectionists, wine makers, x-ray technicians, yangshengists, and zoologists aligned their respective data up into a [somewhat] coherent history of the earth, that they could shove through a computer and not make it go 404?
 
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Yes, I have read accounts that dispute that age and claim the layers were laid down rapidly.

Sure, you've read such things, but are the scientifically credible? (Spoiler: They aren't.)

Sorry, but "I have read" isn't convincing evidence.
 
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What Flood. Start with demontrating that there has been a "Flood" for starters.
And then you can proceed with detailing what these catastrophic conditions were.
How 'bout you demonstrate a comet that hit the earth and gave us our seven seas.

Er ... I mean, one sea ... Panthalassa.

Or whatever they say it was.
 
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It appears that you are suggesting that the ~97% of the scientific community which accept evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity let their biases corrupt them and that the few remaining creationist scientists are free of biases that allow them to interpret the evidence in the correct (religious) manner. Perhaps if the those creationists' scientists produced a modicum of research with evidence that they could apply to backup their assertions they might be able to shave off some of the other 97% to their religius beliefs.
It's possible that the yecs are right.

Where's the facts that support their
claims?

But I think I see it coming over the horizom...
SEDI! ( same evidence, different interpretation)
 
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Sure, you've read such things, but are the scientifically credible? (Spoiler: They aren't.)

Sorry, but "I have read" isn't convincing evidence.
Let's see the accounts then see if they are silly or sane
 
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Sure, you've read such things, but are the scientifically credible?
Was Pluto being our ninth planet scientifically credible at one time?

How about Thalidomide? the Challenger GO for liftoff? or geocentrism?
 
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But I think I see it coming over the horizom...
SEDI! ( same evidence, different interpretation)
What evidence specifically do you expect?

Oh, wait!

Scientists don't have a formulary for creationism, do they?
 
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How 'bout you demonstrate a comet that hit the earth and gave us our seven seas.

Er ... I mean, one sea ... Panthalassa.

Or whatever they say it was.
How cute, a deflection. Is your buddy Inquiring Mind so uncertain about his claims that all attention needs to be deflected? Can christianity not stand even the slightest inquiry?
@inquiring mind : Please provide evidence for the claimed Flood before we even speculate about "catastrophic conditions".
 
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How cute, a deflection. Is your buddy Inquiring Mind so uncertain about his claims that all attention needs to be deflected? Can christianity not stand even the slightest inquiry?
It amazes me that college educated people can believe a comet hit the earth and gave us seven seas, but then go so far as put someone on IGNORE because they think God took some water off the earth and put it somewhere else.
 
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How cute, a deflection. Is your buddy Inquiring Mind so uncertain about his claims that all attention needs to be deflected? Can christianity not stand even the slightest inquiry?
@inquiring mind : Please provide evidence for the claimed Flood before we even speculate about "catastrophic conditions".
Brace for SEDI
 
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