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dad said:
Sorry Dad, it's not evidence quoting the Bible (except to Christians I suppose). This is FAITH, so I yield to your believe system.[Aren't you the guy harping on grammar?] I'm out here unless you quote some references that show true evidence, but thanks for responding anyway.[Ta]

Huh? I would NEVER harp on grammer, I assure you! I was a C student in English and grammer and personally had little use for it until I realized some people mistakenly equate intelligence with proper grammer. Since then, I've tried to learn from my best friend who is an expert in English grammer and linguistics. Besides, is that the best you can do is criticize me for making a typo ("believe" versus "belief")?

Richard (still wondering about those 4400 genera of brachiopods apparently God doesn't care much for...)
 
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dad said:
No, not at all. The world is physical only, and seperate from the spiritual world now.

So there is nothing spiritual in this world, according to the brand of science you've invented.

We have a spirit, and a physical body, but they will not go beyond death together, unless He merges them!

Which He has no reason to do. The physical body housing a soul seems to be a pretty good system.

They dwell together, but are seperate.

Together, but separate.

And I suppose they have no connection to each other? What then do you say about the reports of demonic posession? Is there any veracity to that? And if so, doesn't that show a pretty stong physical/spiritual connection?

Angels and spirits live in the spirit world, but can visist here, and interact, do miracles, etc.

In mythology, certainly. As well as in reports as reliable as the average Elvis sighting.

So don't hand me your thin line about what is 'theologically wrong'. You know not of what you speak!

Well, I'm not denying the existence of the soul... Well, actually, I am, but at least I'm consistent about it.
 
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futzman said:
Huh? I would NEVER harp on grammer, I assure you! I was a C student in English and grammer and personally had little use for it until I realized some people mistakenly equate intelligence with proper grammer. Since then, I've tried to learn from my best friend who is an expert in English grammer and linguistics. Besides, is that the best you can do is criticize me for making a typo ("believe" versus "belief")?

Richard (still wondering about those 4400 genera of brachiopods apparently God doesn't care much for...)
My apologies, it was on another thread I just posted someone was harping on that. (Nightson vbmenu_register("postmenu_17250641", true); ). Guess I took a cheap shot in anger at the wrong party.
 
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Nathan Poe said:
So there is nothing spiritual in this world, according to the brand of science you've invented.
[What are you talking about? I said that the spiritual world can visit and affect us, but it is a seperate world right now.]



Which He has no reason to do. The physical body housing a soul seems to be a pretty good system.
[Look at Jesus' body when He arose, it was both! And it says we shall be like Him!]



Together, but separate.

And I suppose they have no connection to each other? What then do you say about the reports of demonic posession? Is there any veracity to that? And if so, doesn't that show a pretty stong physical/spiritual connection?
[Of course it is true, as is possession by good spirits, and the Holy Spirit, as I see it. Just as it is true we have our own spirit that 'posseses' our body while our body lives on earth. But they are not like Jesus' ressurected, merged, eternal body, that can never die, and is complete.]



In mythology, certainly. As well as in reports as reliable as the average Elvis sighting.
[Reliable as measured, or unable to be measured by devotees of the box? -or reliable as the word of God, and billions of accounts of all faiths?]



Well, I'm not denying the existence of the soul... Well, actually, I am, but at least I'm consistent about it.
[I think you seem to have made up your mind almost? I acknowledge a spirit as well as a body. Flesh as well as spirit]
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gunglepus said:
a past that was not physical, is a past that never existed
[Never existed as a physical only, no, this is the point. But it did exist]



It sure is. everything you think you know is encoded in your brain in connections and chemicals.
[So all is within, then, all else is imagination. Fine. What a cute box philosophy!]



Do not confuse ancient ignorance for knowledge.

The Bible's concepts of science are naive and limited by ignorance. For instance the Bible calls the bat a type of bird. The Bible consistantly models the earth as being flat. The Bible says pi=3.
[This bat thing people raise a lot, as if they have a point of some kind! Please tell us now, how God is in error calling them a bird? Precisely what is it that makes them something else? Can you prove that God did not make them on the day He made birds?]



There is no short comings in science, particularly when compared to the mythology we find in the Bible. [Grandiose statement, considering the peep squeek point of veiw that is baseless opinion, and no more!] There was no flood as the earth would still be devastated. [No, not true. The earth, it seems, may have been in a merged stste with the spiritual, so the laws of physics did in no way apply! The wind blew away the water, the canopy dropped it, and etc. -all as it says! Saying it didn't is simply ststing a belief that only the physical was at work in the past, nothing more] There was no garden of eden because that story is an ALLEGORY. [Big letters do not make it true, and the bible a lie, do you have anything more than capital letters as proof?] That means in plain english that it is a fictional story with a moral.
[So you say, but notice that word is not in the bible, so those who hold the opinion that God is bound by their little word have another think coming!]
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dad said:
This bat thing people raise a lot, as if they have a point of some kind!
Yes, the bible is not inerrant
Please tell us now, how God is in error calling them a bird?
Because they're not birds.
Precisely what is it that makes them something else?
The fact that they're mammals.

Can you prove that God did not make them on the day He made birds
No, but that's not a problem since being made on the same day as birds does not make them birds.
 
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Caphi said:
...just...wow. I've heard stories about "dad", but I really never imagined that it was this bad. You almost beat John's "Time Warp Jesus" theories, dad. Incredible.

Check out the "Billions and Billions" thread for pure Comedy Platinum--or should I say comedy sapphire?

You'll get the joke soon enough; then you'll wish you hadn't.
 
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This bat thing people raise a lot, as if they have a point of some kind!



Yes, the bible is not inerrant
Right, silly as it may be, I think you may be right, that could be their attempted point! Thanks.
Because they're not birds
I say they are.
The fact that they're mammals.
Yes, amazing, isn't it how He made a bird that also is a mammal. The question remains, what is it exactly that makes a bat not a bird, or never having been one!?
On the sixth day mammals were made. On the fifth day, the birds, a day before.
"Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
....And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. "
After all, aren't whales mammals? But were not they made on the day of the fish? Seems pretty simple, they fly or swim, and only an evoisticly tinged method of catagorization says any different? Saying they are mammals just don't do it, do you have some reason we should say it is (or was not) not a bird?

No, but that's not a problem since being made on the same day as birds does not make them birds.
In the bible, it seems, that is precisely what it makes them. If you disagree, exactly why not?
 
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Right, silly as it may be, I think you may be right, that could be their attempted point! Thanks.

Why is it silly not to believe that the entire Bible is fully true?

I say they are.

Then bring it up when you are in control of taxonomy. Bats are placental, warm-blooded, furry creatures. Birds, by definition, are animals which are feathered, warm-blooded, egg-laying, and beaked. Therefore, bats cannot be include in the set of birds.

Yes, amazing, isn't it how He made a bird that also is a mammal. The question remains, what is it exactly that makes a bat not a bird, or never having been one!?

I already told you. Mammals and birds are mutually exclusive sets, and bats belong to the mammal set.

On the sixth day mammals were made. On the fifth day, the birds, a day before.
"Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
....And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. "

The bible is not proof or evidence.

After all, aren't whales mammals? But were not they made on the day of the fish? Seems pretty simple, they fly or swim, and only an evoisticly tinged method of catagorization says any different? Saying they are mammals just don't do it, do you have some reason we should say it is (or was not) not a bird?

Definitions. Fishes are scaly, gilled, watergoing, coldblooded animals. Birds are feathered, beaked, egg-laying mammals. Mammals are furry, placental, and warm-blooded. Dolphins and whales are mammals, and so are bats. None of them are birds or fishes.
 
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Caphi said:
Why is it silly not to believe that the entire Bible is fully true?
[Why is it silly to believe it is?]



Then bring it up when you are in control of taxonomy. Bats are placental, warm-blooded, furry creatures. Birds, by definition,[Whose definition?] are animals which are feathered, warm-blooded, egg-laying, and beaked. Therefore, bats cannot be include in the set of birds. [Do we first of all know that bats were not quite different at one time? Where does the bible say all birds lay eggs? Does this mean dinosaurs were birds too? What about the platapus? Doesn't it have a bill like a duck? Does this mean it is a bird too? Feathers, one king in the bible apparently grew hairs like eagle feathers, as a punishment, does it mean he was a bird? Angels have wings, say some, are they birds too? Do you know for a fact that bats were more or less cold or warm blooded than other birds in Adam's day? No, all you have, it seems is a religious set of catagories you seem to think outrule the Almighty!]



I already told you. Mammals and birds are mutually exclusive sets, and bats belong to the mammal set.
[See above questions]



The bible is not proof or evidence.
[Yes, sir, it most assuredly is. Whether you accept it or not is the only question. Who wrote the new golden rule here, exactly the bible, the sacred ancient, time proved document so carefully kept over the centuries, was not evidence? You? Your teacher? Or did this come by revelation?]



Definitions. Fishes are scaly, gilled, watergoing, coldblooded animals. [So, catfish have scales, and sharks? Of course fish are watergoing, I think we can agree on that much, however! Who says fish must have a certain blood temperature? Who says that temperature was the same in the garden of eden? You?] Birds are feathered, beaked, egg-laying mammals. [Says who?] Mammals are furry, placental, and warm-blooded. [Does a hippo have fur? How about a newborn rat? How about a pig?] Dolphins and whales are mammals, and so are bats. [Utter rubbish. Sure we can group them that way for many reasons, and consider them also as such, but great whales were said to be made in Adam'd day, in the sea, and MORE properly considered fish. If you doubt it, just try keeping one on land for a month! ] None of them are birds or fishes.
[Now, anyone can make statements like this. But I think God says they are, if I remember correctly?]
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Why is it silly to believe it is?


Because it's an obviously mythical account that goes against both common sense and science.

Whose definition


The generally accepted one based on logic, evidence, and observations.

Do we first of all know that bats were not quite different at one time? Where does the bible say all birds lay eggs? Does this mean dinosaurs were birds too? What about the platapus? Doesn't it have a bill like a duck? Does this mean it is a bird too? Feathers, one king in the bible apparently grew hairs like eagle feathers, as a punishment, does it mean he was a bird? Angels have wings, say some, are they birds too? Do you know for a fact that bats were more or less cold or warm blooded than other birds in Adam's day? No, all you have, it seems is a religious set of catagories you seem to think outrule the Almighty!


Adam's day? What in the world are you talking about? Bats are just rodents that evolved wings out of their forepaws. Angels don't exist. Your king, if he existed, didn't grow feathers, at least not literally. Dinosaurs were, according to old orthodox, reptiles, a class which has cold blood and scaly, dry skin (birds are feathered and warmblooded), though recent theories suggest that they may have had feathers too. The platypus is in its own unique class, but since it fits all of the mammalian categories (a placenta and fur), it is considered a mammal.

Don't try to redefine science based on your precious book. It won't work.

Yes, sir, it most assuredly is. Whether you accept it or not is the only question. Who wrote the new golden rule here, exactly the bible, the sacred ancient, time proved document so carefully kept over the centuries, was not evidence? You? Your teacher? Or did this come by revelation


I disbelieve the Bible because evidence tells me that many of the assertions the Bible makes or implies are either false, metaphorical, or are based on archaic beliefs that themselves have been either disproved or modified. It's not that the Bible is wrong or right in its entirety, merely that it SHOULD NOT on any account be taken as an authoritative treatise on history, science, or anything else except its own subject matter, christianity.

So, catfish have scales, and sharks? Of course fish are watergoing, I think we can agree on that much, however! Who says fish must have a certain blood temperature? Who says that temperature was the same in the garden of eden? You?


A minor point. The terms, warmblooded and coldblooded, do not refer literally to the temperature of the blood. They refer to whether or not an animal can regulate its own internal temperature. As humans, we can keep our insides warmer or cooler than the environment on our own power. Reptiles cannot. They bask in the day to keep themselves hot, and retreat to homes to prevent cooling down.

And, when I said "fish" I meant traditional fish, phylum Osteicthes. Sharks are not quite fish in the same way as, say, tuna, but rather belong to phylum Chondroicthyes, a group of watergoing, gilled, coldblooded creatures that have skeletons formed entirely out of cartilage which also includes rays and skates.

And lastly, please stop applying the arguments I supply to the literal account of Genesis, since that story is not actually true.

Utter rubbish. Sure we can group them that way for many reasons, and consider them also as such, but great whales were said to be made in Adam'd day, in the sea, and MORE properly considered fish. If you doubt it, just try keeping one on land for a month!


Kindly stop using arguments based on "Adam's day" and the "Garden of Eden." If you do, you are beginning your arguments on false premises. Whales and dolphins (grouped, by the way, as "cetaceans") are mammals, since they fit all the criteria for mammal and few for fish. Fish is not defined as anything that lives in the water. A fish (traditional fish, not shark or ray) is a coldblooded, bony, scaled creature with gills. A cetacean has a placenta, hair, and an endothermic system. The only reason a whale can't support itself on land is a) they are not equipped to get food on land, since they have evolved for an oceanic lifestyle, and b) the larger whales tend to collapse under the weight of their own skeleton, a skeleton ideally suited for water but too bulky and heavy for land.
 
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This bat thing people raise a lot, as if they have a point of some kind!



Yes, the bible is not inerrant
Right, silly as it may be, I think you may be right, that could be their attempted point! Thanks.
Because they're not birds
I say they are.
Why is it silly to believe it is?





Because it's an obviously mythical account that goes against both common sense and science.
No, not at all, you have been misinformed. The bible fits hand in glove with science! Where many have had it wrong, was thinking that the past was as now, rather than the merged spiritual/physical world it was.
The generally accepted one based on logic, evidence, and observations.
Based on evolutionary preconceptions. True, it has been widespread, time to nip that puppy, however.
Adam's day? What in the world are you talking about? Bats are just rodents that evolved wings out of their forepaws.
So say you. Can you prove it? No, The world was created in a week, in Adam's day. Whales never came from some rodent like creature, etc. This is nonsense. Now if you had some proof that bats evolved, I would be interested in that. If this was the case, then it was hyper evolution, which was easy in the merged universe, but so far, you havn't demonstrated a thing, but reciting evo party lines.
Dinosaurs were, according to old orthodox, reptiles, a class which has cold blood and scaly, dry skin (birds are feathered and warmblooded), though recent theories suggest that they may have had feathers too.
Let us know when you make up your mind on that one.
The platypus is in its own unique class, but since it fits all of the mammalian categories (a placenta and fur), it is considered a mammal.
Ha. I thought God may have made that weird thing for a reason! If it can be considered both, so can a bat! Period!
Don't try to redefine science based on your precious book. It won't work.
Don't kid yourself, it is already written in the stars. And the definition is in on science falsely so called. It is speculations of our future or past, based on the BELIEF that only the physical universe existed or will exist then.
I disbelieve the Bible because evidence tells me that many of the assertions the Bible makes or implies are either false, metaphorical, or are based on archaic beliefs that themselves have been either disproved or modified.
Well, this archaic belief of yours needs to be modified.
So, catfish have scales, and sharks? Of course fish are watergoing, I think we can agree on that much, however! Who says fish must have a certain blood temperature? Who says that temperature was the same in the garden of eden? You?





A minor point.
Hey, I was only responding to YOUR definitions here. Minor as they may be.
They refer to whether or not an animal can regulate its own internal temperature
So we determine when God made something by whether He made it to regulate it's own temperature or not? On a certain day of creation, only those who could regulate their own temperature were made? Do you realize how silly this sounds?
And, when I said "fish" I meant traditional fish, phylum Osteicthes. Sharks are not quite fish in the same way as, say, tuna, but rather belong to phylum Chondroicthyes, a group of watergoing, gilled, coldblooded creatures that have skeletons formed entirely out of cartilage which also includes rays and skates.
Yeah, right, blah blah, 64 dollar word, blah blah, if, except, but, blah blah, God was wrong blah blah...
And lastly, please stop applying the arguments I supply to the literal account of Genesis, since that story is not actually true.
Despite your desperate proclamation, I have to say, it actually is God's honest truth!
Kindly stop using arguments based on "Adam's day" and the "Garden of Eden." If you do, you are beginning your arguments on false premises.
Kindly stop asking me to deny a truth you cannot disprove.
A fish (traditional fish, not shark or ray) is a coldblooded, bony, scaled creature with gills. A cetacean has a placenta, hair, and an endothermic system. The only reason a whale can't support itself on land is a) they are not equipped to get food on land, since they have evolved for an oceanic lifestyle, and b) the larger whales tend to collapse under the weight of their own skeleton, a skeleton ideally suited for water but too bulky and heavy for land.
Right, in other word, like any other fish, it will die, as it was not designed for land! So sharks are not fish, at least traditional fish, as are not rays, or dolphins or whales, blah blah. Basically the only real fish sre those evolution dreams evolved out of each other! Preposterous. If God says it is a fish, it isn't, because it just isn't "traditional" boo hoo.
 
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Let me make this very simple for you. God does not exist. The world was formed over the course of millions of years, not six days. The Garden of Eden was a subterranean environment, and Adam and Eve were sulfur-eating bacteria. I don't have time for your spiritual nonsense. If you want to believe that there's some kind of spiritual patch for the world, and that eventually God will come and apply it and all the laws of physics are going to change, just to believe that your book is true, fine. I would personally rather believe that my common sense tells me the truth and that the Bible is wrong, rather than inventing wild theories about splits, merges, and spiritual realms just to believe the Bible is right. Ockham's Razor.
 
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dad said:
say they are.
And you're wrong.

dad said:
No, not at all, you have been misinformed. The bible fits hand in glove with science! Where many have had it wrong, was thinking that the past was as now, rather than the merged spiritual/physical world it was.
The bible does not fit 'hand in glove' with science. It may fit with your own created 'spiriscience', but since that's just 'science except where it conflicts with the bible', that's hardly surprising.

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Based on evolutionary preconceptions. True, it has been widespread, time to nip that puppy, however.
You are aware that classifications - including of the bat as a mammal, not a bird, whales as mammals, not fish, etc., date to way before evolutionary theory, aren't you? Oops, looks like your statement is simply false.

dad said:
So say you. Can you prove it? No, The world was created in a week, in Adam's day. Whales never came from some rodent like creature, etc. This is nonsense. Now if you had some proof that bats evolved, I would be interested in that. If this was the case, then it was hyper evolution, which was easy in the merged universe, but so far, you havn't demonstrated a thing, but reciting evo party lines.
Prove it? Certainly. Not to you, because you have many times stated that you will not accept any evidence, of anything, that contradicts the bible. But prove it to rational people who are prepared to accept evidence? Sure. It's been done, many times.

dad said:
Ha. I thought God may have made that weird thing for a reason! If it can be considered both, so can a bat! Period!
A bat can be considered a bird, as is evidenced by the fact that you do so. However, such a consideration is wrong; the bat is not a bird.

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Don't kid yourself, it is already written in the stars. And the definition is in on science falsely so called. It is speculations of our future or past, based on the BELIEF that only the physical universe existed or will exist then.
We've been through this before. You cannot evidence in any way that science is what the bible calls "science falsely so called". You merely call it that because science conflicts with your interpretation of your religious text.

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Well, this archaic belief of yours needs to be modified.
Irony meter explosion.

dad said:
So we determine when God made something by whether He made it to regulate it's own temperature or not?
No, we determine what kind of an animal something is by a number of factors, one of which is whether it can regulate its own body temperature.

dad said:
On a certain day of creation, only those who could regulate their own temperature were made? Do you realize how silly this sounds?
When you try to accomodate ancient myths with science, yes, those myths sure sound silly.

dad said:
Yeah, right, blah blah, 64 dollar word, blah blah, if, except, but, blah blah, God was wrong blah blah...
How can anyone respond to drivel like this?

dad said:
Despite your desperate proclamation, I have to say, it actually is God's honest truth!
I doubt you would know truth if it bit you.

dad said:
Kindly stop asking me to deny a truth you cannot disprove.
Yet again you reveal your complete ignorance of science.

dad said:
Right, in other word, like any other fish, it will die, as it was not designed for land! So sharks are not fish, at least traditional fish, as are not rays, or dolphins or whales, blah blah. Basically the only real fish sre those evolution dreams evolved out of each other! Preposterous. If God says it is a fish, it isn't, because it just isn't "traditional" boo hoo.
More drivel, attempting to blame animal classification on evolution, despite the fact that animal classification predates evolution.
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
And you're wrong.
Easy to say, but in leui of proof, why flap your jaws?]

The bible does not fit 'hand in glove' with science. ....
But it does, and you have nothing to say otherwise! Yap yap, if you got something out with it man!


You are aware that classifications - including of the bat as a mammal, not a bird, whales as mammals, not fish, etc., date to way before evolutionary theory, aren't you? Oops, looks like your statement is simply false.
All classifications, like that of the shark, etc? Anyhow, are you aware that God's classifications date to way before the classifications that are 'way before' evolutionary ones? I keep forgetting to use a word like evoistic, which isn't limited to granny, and her spawn, but covers old age evoisms as well!


Prove it? Certainly. Not to you, because you have many times stated that you will not accept any evidence, of anything, that contradicts the bible.
] Really, since I said that so many times, please clip a few and show us how this is true? [/QUOTEBut prove it to rational people who are prepared to accept evidence? Sure. It's been done, many times.
Quit getting irrational here, and reverting to science falsely so called, which is belief only that today's physical only was all that existed in the past! If you had an iota of concrete evidence, why, you might gain a little creedence here!


A bat can be considered a bird, as is evidenced by the fact that you do so. However, such a consideration is wrong; the bat is not a bird.
Wow, the proclamation is in! Is that all you got?


We've been through this before. You cannot evidence in any way that science is what the bible calls "science falsely so called". You merely call it that because science conflicts with your interpretation of your religious text.
Thank you for devining why you think I think what I think about what you think! It is falsely so called, as I have defined it, because wild, Godless dreams of the past based only on belief, that run contrary to His word, and can never be evidenced in the slightest are in no way science! Not at all! Evo wet dreams! Nightmares, more like! Baseless fantasy, faith, religion. Talk about 'old time' religion!



Irony meter explosion.
OK, dr, let's have a kaapow!

No, we determine what kind of an animal something is by a number of factors, one of which is whether it can regulate its own body temperature.
Well, if it fits your wild tales, then it's fine, but if the bible says so, then, heck no-only we make the rules, and exceptions!-In your dreams, pal!


When you try to accomodate ancient myths with science, yes, those myths sure sound silly.
Name calling will get you nowhere. The bible is ancient facts, where the madness of granny and the speck is the kind of warped myth they come up with basing everything on a lie!


I doubt you would know truth if it bit you.
Neither your doubts, nor you beliefs amount to a hill of beans, when they are without substance!


Yet again you reveal your complete ignorance of science.
It is not my ignorance of science that tells us you cannot disprove it, but my knowledge of it's limitations!

More drivel, attempting to blame animal classification on evolution, despite the fact that animal classification predates evolution.
Point noted. But it boils down the same, in the end. Why, those years ago must a bat be a mammal, yet a platapus can be what you want it to be? Putting your drivel a little further away, doesn't change it into something else!
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Caphi said:
Let me make this very simple for you. God does not exist. The world was formed over the course of millions of years, not six days. The Garden of Eden was a subterranean environment, and Adam and Eve were sulfur-eating bacteria. [Ho ho ho. Man, strut your stuff!] I don't have time for your spiritual nonsense.[ No, life is busy in the box, get to it man] If you want to believe that there's some kind of spiritual patch for the world, and that eventually God will come and apply it and all the laws of physics are going to change, just to believe that your book is true, fine. [The laws of physicas are small potatoes in the big picture! Not only will they change, as heaven makes obvious, but they were changed in our recorded past!] I would personally rather believe that my common sense tells me the truth and that the Bible is wrong, rather than inventing wild theories about splits, merges, and spiritual realms just to believe the Bible is right. [ Then you personally may do so, enjoy the death and hopelessness, and decay of the physical only, and ignore the bible proofs, and humanities vast encounters with the spiritual! ] Ockham's Razor.
[Maybe he should shave his rear, and have a closer look, to see if a tail is starting to grow?! ]
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dad said:
Easy to say, but in leui of proof, why flap your jaws?]
There is ample proof - just no proof that will satisfy you, because you're trapped in your box of biblical literalism.

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But it does, and you have nothing to say otherwise! Yap yap, if you got something out with it man!
No, it does not, as is evidenced in this thread alone.

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All classifications, like that of the shark, etc? Anyhow, are you aware that God's classifications date to way before the classifications that are 'way before' evolutionary ones? I keep forgetting to use a word like evoistic, which isn't limited to granny, and her spawn, but covers old age evoisms as well!
Yes, all classifications. I've no idea what 'evoistic' or 'evoisms' mean, although I suspect that they mean 'science that contradicts my interpretation of the bible'.

How did my granny and her spawn (that is, my parents and their siblings) get into it?

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Really, since I said that so many times, please clip a few and show us how this is true?
Consult any textbook on biology. And learn.

dad said:
Quit getting irrational here, and reverting to science falsely so called, which is belief only that today's physical only was all that existed in the past!
Why do you continue to make this lie? Science does not hold the believe that today's physical only was all that existed in the past.

dad said:
If you had an iota of concrete evidence, why, you might gain a little creedence here!
There is ample evidence, which you have been presented with any number of times. You just won't accept any evidence that contradicts your personal interpretation of the bible. In fact, you go to great lengths to invent 'spiriscience' just to accomodate that interpretation.

dad said:
Wow, the proclamation is in! Is that all you got?
No, what I've got is a few centuries of science, which you are quite happy to ignore because it conflicts with your personal interpretation of the bible.

dad said:
Thank you for devining why you think I think what I think about what you think!
No problem. Your agenda is very easy to see.

dad said:
It is falsely so called, as I have defined it, because wild, Godless dreams of the past based only on belief, that run contrary to His word, and can never be evidenced in the slightest are in no way science! Not at all! Evo wet dreams! Nightmares, more like! Baseless fantasy, faith, religion. Talk about 'old time' religion!
A little rant here against science because it disagrees with your personal interpretation of the bible. Amusing, but not much else.

dad said:
Well, if it fits your wild tales, then it's fine, but if the bible says so, then, heck no-only we make the rules, and exceptions!-In your dreams, pal!
I don't have any 'wild tales' - I have science. Which you are happy to abandon whenever it conflicts with your personal interpretation of the bible.

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It is not my ignorance of science that tells us you cannot disprove it, but my knowledge of it's limitations!
No, it's precisely your ignorance. You have demonstrated time and time again that don't know the first thing about science.
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
There is ample proof - just no proof that will satisfy you, because you're trapped in your box of biblical literalism.
Think about what you are saying. All proof is based on physical only, as ample as you think it is. All of it requires the belief that there was never anything else, of which, it is, that we are talking about, there is NO proof! If you think there is put it on the table, I'm calling you out.


No, it does not, as is evidenced in this thread alone.
Well, if the evidence is in this thread, show us where! Otherwise it is just yap yap!


Yes, all classifications. I've no idea what 'evoistic' or 'evoisms' mean, although I suspect that they mean 'science that contradicts my interpretation of the bible'.
So, all sharks, and rays, then are "fish" in your books? Who was it who shot up something about scales? Guess they were out of line. How about eels?

How did my granny and her spawn (that is, my parents and their siblings) get into it?
Your granny is right, she sure ain't mine, neither did this first lifeform spawn me


Consult any textbook on biology. And learn.
Really, since I said that so many times, please clip a few and show us how this is true?
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You said I said some things, I asked you to prove it, and clip and quote a few. Here is what you said "because you have many times stated that you will not accept any evidence, of anything, that contradicts the bible. "
So, where did I say these things many times? And what has that got to do with "any textbook on biology"? Try not to be disingenuous here!


Why do you continue to make this lie? Science does not hold the believe that today's physical only was all that existed in the past.
No, of course not, science falsely so called, however does! By belief that there was no spiritual and physical at work then, but only the physical. This they do, in dating. Why pretend otherwise, and provide empty yapping?

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If you had an iota of concrete evidence, why, you might gain a little creedence here!
There is ample evidence, which you have been presented with any number of times. You just won't accept any evidence that contradicts your personal interpretation of the bible. In fact, you go to great lengths to invent 'spiriscience' just to accomodate that interpretation.
The spiritual, and it's science, and knowledge and reality is not something I, or any man invented! Why do you go to great lengths to pretend thre is any, let alone ample evidence to the contrary? Sounds like you are in denial! And don't try to deny it!


No, what I've got is a few centuries of science, which you are quite happy to ignore because it conflicts with your personal interpretation of the bible.
No, I've got that. And it fits hand in glove with the undeniable truth of God's word! -Despite your personal interpretation that science must include science falsely so called!


No problem. Your agenda is very easy to see.
Thank you for devining why you think I think what I think about what you think! And for seeing what you think you see about what you devine, against the Devine


A little rant here against science because it disagrees with your personal interpretation of the bible. Amusing, but not much else.
It is falsely so called, as I have defined it, because wild, Godless dreams of the past based only on belief, that run contrary to His word, and can never be evidenced in the slightest are in no way science! Not at all! Evo wet dreams! Nightmares, more like! Baseless fantasy, faith, religion. Talk about 'old time' religion!

Notice it was not talking about science at all, despite your own personal interpretation! It was about evoistic old age belief, in drag, dressed up as science!


I don't have any 'wild tales' - I have science. Which you are happy to abandon whenever it conflicts with your personal interpretation of the bible.
This has been well covered. You want to include old age physical only based speculations I call science falsely so called in real science. But personal interpretation of what real science is, really, is worthless.


No, it's precisely your ignorance. You have demonstrated time and time again that don't know the first thing about science.
It is not my ignorance of science that tells us you cannot disprove it, but my knowledge of it's limitations! Whats wrong with you, quit demonstrating time and time again that don't know the first thing about real science, versus science falsely so called.
 
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dad said:
Think about what you are saying. All proof is based on physical only, as ample as you think it is. All of it requires the belief that there was never anything else, of which, it is, that we are talking about, there is NO proof! If you think there is put it on the table, I'm calling you out.
None of it requires the belief that there was never anything else. Why do you continue to make these lies?

dad said:
Your granny is right, she sure ain't mine, neither did this first lifeform spawn me
Of course my granny isn't yours. She wasn't the first lifeform, either. What are you babbling about?

dad said:
No, of course not, science falsely so called, however does! By belief that there was no spiritual and physical at work then, but only the physical. This they do, in dating. Why pretend otherwise, and provide empty yapping?
There is no 'science falsely so called' - that's your invention to mean 'science that contradicts my religious beliefs'. You cannot provide any evidence to support your claims.

And for the sake of everyone's sanity, learn how to post correctly. Youv'e been asked this repeatedly - it makes your posts even harder to understand than they should be.]
 
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