spiritual science

[enlightenment]

God can be tested. He works. Laws of the spirit, etc. I gave you a test, now, don't try to slink out of your homework. I asked you to test how men could live forever. This is a basic trait of spiritual beings. Now, can you give us the results of your tests? I have lots more lined up, awaiting your ability to do the easy, basic test here.

No, dad, this is not how this works. We do not test the claims that cannot be verified right now. If scientists did that, there would be no science. What we do is look at the claims made by theists and cultists and test those. Now, there are people who claim that they can levitate things. There are people who claim they have mind reading powers. We can test things like this in the here and now.

 

[enlightenment]

Sorry you are stumped at not being able to do a simple thing like test the basic trait of the spiritual world! There is only so much I can give you, as an unbeliever, because you do not accept things from the bible, or miracles, Jesus spiritual laws, etc.

It is obvious now that you are a troll and do not wish to engage in any serious conversation here. Your mission is to attempt to convert us by making us look foolish--but only in your own mind--while failing to communicate with us.

Your abilities are so low, and box bound, that it seems you have made the choices to continue looking only to physical science, and embracing affectionately the so called aspects of it, that try to carry box logic into an unboxed past! Enjoy your faith, cause thats all it is. A faith that renders you forever incapable in this life of progressing to understand even a little more.

What you seem to want us to do is to accept supernaturalism just because you say so, or because it is written in the Bible--an ancient book among many ancient holy books, of which there is nothing special that distinguishes it from the others. Rather, we find many common themes in all ancient religious texts; all contain miracles, myths, parables, philosophy, moral codes, and so forth. To each theist, that book that is most precious to him or her is that which affected his or her life; therefore it is an arrogant and selfish thing to proclaim one's own religion as the only true religion because it changed their life or did something good for them.

While many things can be tested, you have positioned yourself so low, as to be unable be shown anything out of the box at all. But don't think that all men are so bound, they aren't.

Show us, dad. We are waiting here. Reply to my post about levitation.

To summerize, physical only science cannot be applied to Adam's world, because it was together with the spiritual, as evidenced by many goins on then that would be impossible only in our physical only.
My present feeling is that the split started at the fall, and was complete in the days of Peleg, which covers the flood period as well.

We aren't interested in your present feelings or speculations made in excitement and wonder as you regard your religious myths.

Then, our physical only universe we now are in. This will start to transition to a combined or merged universe soon, at the start of the millenium. It will be complete, and merged at the end of this period, forever to be merged, and never again will there be a physical only universe!

Yes, it does sound exciting. I could think of a lot of exciting things right now, get all worked up, and then post about them as you are doing.

Nothing in the bible or real science can begin to dispute this! It explains many former mysteries, like what did they eat after the flood, where did the waters go, and come from, tree rings, radioactive decay, light speed, long lifespans, and a host of other juicy things as well!

Accepting mythical claims in ancient texts because they provide juicy, exciting answers to life's most mysterious questions (one of which, to you, is what people ate after the flood), is not using good judgement and is unreasonable.

 

[anunbeliever]

Why would I assume it is not? The book corresponds so well to science, and human experience, unlike the PO dreams!

You must have access to different scientific research than the rest of us. Are you trolling?

 

[anunbeliever]

I asked you to test how men could live forever. This is a basic trait of spiritual beings. Now, can you give us the results of your tests? I have lots more lined up, awaiting your ability to do the easy, basic test here.

Well ive done some research. There is no verified accounts of any human living beyond 122 years of age. Therefore your assertion that men can live forever is debunked.

 

[enlightenment]

So, when did dad say he would be back?

 

[dad]

If this world is only physical (meaning that the spiritual is not accessible to us), then there cannot be a spiritual science. Science is something you can perceive and test and manipulate.

The spiritual is very accessible, it is just seperate now.

 

[dad]

Well ive done some research. There is no verified accounts of any human living beyond 122 years of age. Therefore your assertion that men can live forever is debunked.

That only verifies what I am saying. It was possible, but is not now, to live near a thousand years, or eternally.

 

[dad]

What you seem to want us to do is to accept supernaturalism just because you say so, or because it is written in the Bible--an ancient book among many ancient holy books, of which there is nothing special that distinguishes it from the others. Rather, we find many common themes in all ancient religious texts; all contain miracles, myths, parables, philosophy, moral codes, and so forth. To each theist, that book that is most precious to him or her is that which affected his or her life; therefore it is an arrogant and selfish thing to proclaim one's own religion as the only true religion because it changed their life or did something good for them.

Belief that there always was the physical only, therefore, is an arrogant and selfish thing to proclaim! Indeed! At least the bible has a sacred history, and witnesses, and it works today, and has hundreds of 100% accurate prophesies, to boot!

Show us, dad. We are waiting here. Reply to my post about levitation.

Jesus levitated all the way to heaven in front of a crowd of witnesses, and we set our calendar from the year 0 as a result!
Yes, it does sound exciting. I could think of a lot of exciting things right now, get all worked up, and then post about them as you are doing.

Without the bible to back it up, you might as well get to preachin about granny and the speck!

Accepting mythical claims in ancient texts because they provide juicy, exciting answers to life's most mysterious questions (one of which, to you, is what people ate after the flood), is not using good judgement and is unreasonable

In other words, you cannot dispute that the bible backs up what I say. Now, you must also admit science can't say a cotton pickin thing about it either!

 

[dad]

Kindly give one example of Jesus' spiritual laws
['He that believeth on me shall never die'
'You reap what you sow']




Provide a means of testing the "unboxed" and we'll listen.
[If you mean, 'provide a boxed method of testing the unboxed'.. you can't have it. The spiritual, and God, are too big to fit into man's severe primitive, and onlyphysical limitations!]


"Real" Science? You mean this nonsense you've been making up?
[Real science means not including physical only pagan dreams, and trying to include, as best one can the spiritual, which is a known quantity, as is the bible.]

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[dad]

The book corresponds so well to science, and human experience, unlike the PO dreams!

You must have access to different scientific research than the rest of us. Are you trolling?

I mean the science we all know. Like the fossil record. Like how we know the continents have moved apart. Like how we know we live in a physical only universe, and etc. Nothing in science is a problem any more. It is my friend.

 

[Tenka]

Real science means not including physical only pagan dreams, and trying to include, as best one can the spiritual, which is a known quantity, as is the bible.]

I think you'll find that pagans are particularly spiritual.

But you were only using that term as a general slur, weren't you.

 

[dad]

I think you'll find that pagans are particularly spiritual.

But you were only using that term as a general slur, weren't you.

Yes, in other words, in the sense that the falsely so called science, and it's unspiritual prognostications, were not christian.
The fact that some pagans may be spiritual is a good point. More proof there is something to the spiritual being well known, and real!

 

[Nathan Poe]

The spiritual is very accessible, it is just seperate now.

Well, that's just theologically wrong. The Spiritual is anything but separate from every man, woman, and child who ever lived!

Sorry dad, but your whole brand of science doesn't correspond to anyone's definition of reality.

 

[dad]

The spiritual is very accessible, it is just seperate now.

Well, that's just theologically wrong. The Spiritual is anything but separate from every man, woman, and child who ever lived!

Sorry dad, but your whole brand of science doesn't correspond to anyone's definition of reality.

No, not at all. The world is physical only, and seperate from the spiritual world now. We have a spirit, and a physical body, but they will not go beyond death together, unless He merges them! They dwell together, but are seperate. Angels and spirits live in the spirit world, but can visist here, and interact, do miracles, etc. So don't hand me your thin line about what is 'theologically wrong'. You know not of what you speak!

 

[futzman]

Knowledge is not limited to physical. Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past. Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all, and it was just a shortcoming in modern science logic mistakenly trying to be applied to a past that was not physical only.

So you're saying that in the past "knowledge" was acquired via other means than physical (hearing, seeing, feeling, tasting, etc) and now it's not? And so when the Bible refers to God speaking it was not really him speaking (via audible means) and now he has to speak via audible means if he speaks at all? I'm confused...

Richard (still wondering what God had against those 4400 genera of brachiopods...)

 

[dad]

Knowledge is not limited to physical. Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past. Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all, and it was just a shortcoming in modern science logic mistakenly trying to be applied to a past that was not physical only.

So you're saying that in the past "knowledge" was acquired via other means than physical (hearing, seeing, feeling, tasting, etc) and now it's not? And so when the Bible refers to God speaking it was not really him speaking (via audible means) and now he has to speak via audible means if he speaks at all? I'm confused...

In other words, our knowledge includes man's direct experience with things spiritual, as well as physical. Not that it was gotten some other way. But it used to include a spiritual, and physical combined universe, rather than just a physical only one, we now find ourselves in. God of course can still speak to us, and does. Miracles still happen, as spirits can come over to our physical. Angels still help us.
Sorry, I can't quite get what you mean by the audible stuff. If God wants to be heard, He can be, one way or the other!

 

[futzman]

Angels still help us.

Okay, so please cite some experimentally verifiable references where angels still help us or even exist at all. Sorry, but I really can't just take your word for it, afterall I could tell you some stuff I'm sure you probably wouldn't believe either. If you plead the "faith" argument then I'll let it go at this point as I have no way to argue with faith (as opposed to evidence). I'm not trying to be argumentative (well, maybe a little I guess!) but I've investigated quite a few claims of the supernatural in my day and found almost none with any credible evidence.

Richard (still wondering why God abandoned those 4400 genera of brachiopods...)

 

[dad]

Okay, so please cite some experimentally verifiable references where angels still help us or even exist at all. Sorry, but I really can't just take your word for it, afterall I could tell you some stuff I'm sure you probably wouldn't believe either. If you plead the "faith" argument then I'll let it go at this point as I have no way to argue with faith (as opposed to evidence). I'm not trying to be argumentative (well, maybe a little I guess!) but I've investigated quite a few claims of the supernatural in my day and found almost none with any credible evidence.

Richard (still wondering why God abandoned those 4400 genera of brachiopods...)

Jesus said babies have angels "
Mt 18:10 - Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Ge 19:1 -And there came two angels to Sodom at even; Ps 91:11 - For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. Mt 4:11 - Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mt 2:19 - But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Lu 1:28 - And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Ac 5:19 -But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said, ......Theres a few for you, I'm not making it up, there are angels sent to help us.
You say you have no way to argue with faith, and this is true. It does need to be identified as such. When people assume, or believe that all there ever was, was this physical only world, this is a dangerous belief, that needs to be identified. I don't need to argue with that faith, just identify it, as the bible says, as "science, falsely so called".

 

[futzman]

Jesus said babies have angels "
Mt 18:10 - Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Ge 19:1 -And there came two angels to Sodom at even; Ps 91:11 - For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. Mt 4:11 - Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mt 2:19 - But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Lu 1:28 - And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Ac 5:19 -But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said, ......Theres a few for you, I'm not making it up, there are angels sent to help us.
You say you have no way to argue with faith, and this is true. It does need to be identified as such. When people assume, or believe that all there ever was, was this physical only world, this is a dangerous belief, that needs to be identified. I don't need to argue with that faith, just identify it, as the bible says, as "science, falsely so called".

Sorry Dad, it's not evidence quoting the Bible (except to Christians I suppose). This is FAITH, so I yield to your believe system. I'm out here unless you quote some references that show true evidence, but thanks for responding anyway.

Richard (still wondering why God dislikes those 4400 genera of brachiopods...)

 

[dad]

Sorry Dad, it's not evidence quoting the Bible (except to Christians I suppose). This is FAITH, so I yield to your believe system.[Aren't you the guy harping on grammar?] I'm out here unless you quote some references that show true evidence, but thanks for responding anyway.[Ta]

Richard (still wondering why God dislikes those 4400 genera of brachiopods...)

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