spiritual science

[ChrisS]

How does spirituality ( Our relationship with the Lord), enter the same realm as impersonal discoveries of the world?


Could someone explain to me how they can possibly exist in the same realm?

 

[dad]

So 'spiriscience' is just science, except it can't deal with anything in the past or the future. Is that right?
[Spritual science or knowledge would concern things spiritual. Things spiritual very much and totally affected our past, and will affect our future, whether or not you can deal with it.]

Great. So in what way IS it testable?
[For believers, in a thousand ways. For you? When you can catch a ghost, let us know, maybe we will have something for you. Meanwhile, sounds like your destiny lies in box!?



Just like you.
[Glad you admit that. Your beliefs are just like mine, -beliefs.]

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[ChrisS]

Science is a study created by mondern man, modern fallible man. There is always the wide possibility that science gave the wrong ( but possible) explanation. I don't understand why there as to be a debate, either has a chance of being correct.

 

[dad]

How does spirituality ( Our relationship with the Lord), enter the same realm as impersonal discoveries of the world?


Could someone explain to me how they can possibly exist in the same realm?

The spiritual world is broader than just someone's relationship with the Lord. That is spiritual, and all well and good, but not all there is to it. God made the world, stars, and creatures, and some people like to try to understand the things written in the bible, and that are found in the world around us, to understand some of these things. Why? Do you think it is some sort of crime to do so? Perhaps we should just swallow old age evoistic explanations that run contrary to God's word, or something?

 

[Theophilus01]

this statement assumes that the Bible is a book of History. however, the Bible is a book of Faith. stories like the Garden of Eden are as false as the other creation stories of the time. the stories don't tell the history of the world, but give us values to work with. we see the nature of man as our selfishness and willingness to sin. instead of focusing on the literal, come to understand "the spirit" of Scripture, as Jesus called the Jews to. these were stories written down after hundreds of years of oral tradition (passing of stories by word of mouth) and were meant to instruct on God.

secondly, God uses science in order to bring about His miracles. tell me this. which is more glorious: snapping His fingers to make it happen, or setting up an elaborate system (big bang, evolution, etc...)? to me, the fact that God uses the second one makes me adore Him more than the first. it shows His wisdom and infinite creativity.

 

[dad]

Science is a study created by mondern man, modern fallible man. There is always the wide possibility that science gave the wrong ( but possible) explanation. I don't understand why there as to be a debate, either has a chance of being correct.

Actually, the root word there, and concept is 'knowledge'. I get knowledge of God, and creation in the bible, and some have tried to say that was rubbish, and their knowledge was correct. I simply have tried to correct the misunderstanding, and clearly illustrate the bible, and God really were right all along, and exactly why. Is this bad?

 

[ChrisS]

The spiritual world is broader than just someone's relationship with the Lord. That is spiritual, and all well and good, but not all there is to it. God made the world, stars, and creatures, and some people like to try to understand the things written in the bible, and that are found in the world around us, to understand some of these things. Why? Do you think it is some sort of crime to do so? Perhaps we should just swallow old age evoistic explanations that run contrary to God's word, or something?

Thanks for explaining .

In that case, creation scientists simply need to come up with new theories, such as an alternative to evolution. Perhaps a stimulated abiogenesis that could result in humans/other animals. Showing a theory like this, that could be consistant with the bible. You see where I'm going with this? Create new methods.

 

[ChrisS]

Actually, the root word there, and concept is 'knowledge'. I get knowledge of God, and creation in the bible, and some have tried to say that was rubbish, and their knowledge was correct. I simply have tried to correct the misunderstanding, and clearly illustrate the bible, and God really were right all along, and exactly why. Is this bad?

I'm not proposing that your wrong , merely that maybe, instead of attacking evolution, we could simply devise new theories? Don't you think that would be more effective?

 

[*-The-Elusive-Chicken-*]

although I agree with dad, I must point out some flaws in this topic. For istance, "spiritual science" is, in effect, an oxymoron. "Spiritual" things do not have to comform to science in any way, shape, or form and saying that a spiritual ideology is false based on the fact that it has not been proved by science borders on stupidity. I belive that this can best be discussed by dividing it up into two seperate catagoriesysical and metaphysical.

"Pysical" represents all the forces at work that effect our enviroment in ways we can detect and understand. "Metaphysical" represents any supernatural occurance or unexplainable phenonana, as well as supernatural forces, and exists on a different plane than the physical, and therefore cannot be effected by it. Physical, however, can be conroled, altered, and otherwise effected by the metaphysical.

On a sidenote, "divinely inspired" physical documents cannot be dicarded offhand as "religious gibberish", because they potentualy transcend into the metaphysical realm, and I belive they should be giver the benefit of the doubt.

 

[*-The-Elusive-Chicken-*]

this statement assumes that the Bible is a book of History. however, the Bible is a book of Faith. stories like the Garden of Eden are as false as the other creation stories of the time. the stories don't tell the history of the world, but give us values to work with. we see the nature of man as our selfishness and willingness to sin. instead of focusing on the literal, come to understand "the spirit" of Scripture, as Jesus called the Jews to. these were stories written down after hundreds of years of oral tradition (passing of stories by word of mouth) and were meant to instruct on God.

secondly, God uses science in order to bring about His miracles. tell me this. which is more glorious: snapping His fingers to make it happen, or setting up an elaborate system (big bang, evolution, etc...)? to me, the fact that God uses the second one makes me adore Him more than the first. it shows His wisdom and infinite creativity.

Snaping his finger, because it shows that he doesn't even NEED a system.

 

[dad]

The Bible is a book of Faith. stories like the Garden of Eden are as false as the other creation stories of the time.

No, you have been misled. They are good as gold, and can be taken to the bank.

the stories don't tell the history of the world, but give us values to work with. we see the nature of man as our selfishness and willingness to sin. instead of focusing on the literal, come to understand "the spirit" of Scripture, as Jesus called the Jews to

I do. The spirit of the bible I don't think lies to us, and gives us fibs and fables. Otherwise, what kind of spirit do you think that would be?!

secondly, God uses science in order to bring about His miracles.

Hey, He used Ballam's ass as well, so what? If it's handy, He might just use something.

which is more glorious: snapping His fingers to make it happen, or setting up an elaborate system (big bang, evolution, etc...)

No contest. It is more glorious for Him to tell us the truth.

to me, the fact that God uses the second one makes me adore Him more than the first. it shows His wisdom and infinite creativity.

Glad that one works for you. Hate to break the news however, you'll have to adore Him for something else than the big bang and the first lifeform that appeared when the first evo snapped her finger! The story takes creativity all right, but not His.

 

[*-The-Elusive-Chicken-*]

Thanks for explaining .

In that case, creation scientists simply need to come up with new theories, such as an alternative to evolution. Perhaps a stimulated abiogenesis that could result in humans/other animals. Showing a theory like this, that could be consistant with the bible. You see where I'm going with this? Create new methods.

I see what you're saying. An abiogenesis that, through divine intervention, occured whithin a day, and possibly within moments. Ingenious.

 

[dad]

Thanks for explaining .

In that case, creation scientists simply need to come up with new theories, such as an alternative to evolution. Perhaps a stimulated abiogenesis that could result in humans/other animals. Showing a theory like this, that could be consistant with the bible. You see where I'm going with this? Create new methods.

I have tried to do that, with the split theory.

 

[ChrisS]

I see what you're saying. An abiogenesis that, through divine intervention, occured whithin a day, and possibly within moments. Ingenious.

Yup, of course, this would be a theory only christian/deists, creation religions would be able to accept. So unfortuneatly it would not be very popular. However, if we discovered what would be needed for this to take place, then at least it would be credible, and we would not be critisized for believing it.

 

[ChrisS]

I have tried to do that, with the split theory.

Good, good!

Evolution took 200 years to get where it is today, I suspect it would be the same for us, creationists. Eventually however, we would would be up there with the theory of evolution.

 

[dad]

although I agree with dad, I must point out some flaws in this topic. For istance, "spiritual science" is, in effect, an oxymoron. "Spiritual" things do not have to comform to science in any way, shape, or form and saying that a spiritual ideology is false based on the fact that it has not been proved by science borders on stupidity. I belive that this can best be discussed by dividing it up into two seperate catagoriesysical and metaphysical.

"Pysical" represents all the forces at work that effect our enviroment in ways we can detect and understand. "Metaphysical" represents any supernatural occurance or unexplainable phenonana, as well as supernatural forces, and exists on a different plane than the physical, and therefore cannot be effected by it. Physical, however, can be conroled, altered, and otherwise effected by the metaphysical.

On a sidenote, "divinely inspired" physical documents cannot be dicarded offhand as "religious gibberish", because they potentualy transcend into the metaphysical realm, and I belive they should be giver the benefit of the doubt.

When you say spiritual things do not have to conform in any way to science, I suppose this is true. But the things of the bible fit quite well with science. The odd man out is science, falsely so called. (belief that there was only the physical in the past)

 

[dad]

Good, good!

Evolution took 200 years to get where it is today, I suspect it would be the same for us, creationists. Eventually however, we would would be up there with the theory of evolution.

I'm afraid, if we are pretty close to the second coming of Jesus, and the millenium, evolution will be but a slapstick memory!

 

[*-The-Elusive-Chicken-*]

Yup, of course, this would be a theory only christian/deists, creation religions would be able to accept. So unfortuneatly it would not be very popular. However, if we discovered what would be needed for this to take place, then at least it would be credible, and we would not be critisized for believing it.

Of course not. Science scorns any theory that even considers the possibility of divine intervention.

 

[*-The-Elusive-Chicken-*]

Sorry! Posting problems!

 

[ChrisS]

I'm afraid, if we are pretty close to the second coming of Jesus, and the millenium, evolution will be but a slapstick memory!

I pray Jesus comes back soon as well, though I feel we could try, as we don't know when exactly Jesus will come back. Though, I see christians and society getting more un-godly with each passing day. So he may be coming soon, it's likely.