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Ever since I've stopped eating dairy, I've been so much healthier.
Just thought I'd share.
Thanks. I try not to get ornery, unless provoked.Thanks for replying to my questions, it's very civil of you.
Me either, why not accept salvation now? Then there would be no damned. I actually am no expert in the outer darkness, as it is called, where some are placed, out of God's presence.I still don't understand why so many people have to suffer and/or be damned for eternity, or are you saying the damned are a lesson for other beings in the future state, so they won't rebel for fear of ending up the same way?
The surface of the earth did change when they fell. But I am not sure the universe did. That is what I feel that they lived so long then, and so many things were possible that are not now.Why the specific timescales? Like why a century and a bit between the flood and the state change? How come the state didn't change when Eve ate the apple? Wasn't that the fall?
No. Beside Him, there is no God. But obviously there are lots of beings, spirits.When you say you suspect He is not the only one in the universe, do you mean not the only god?
I don't mind honest questions. The universe fabric, and when it changed is always on topic.Sorry for so many off-topic questions, I'll give it a rest after this.
And when did this flood and split occur?Why the dating of the universe change, you ask? The bible talks of the earth being split after the flood/ (divided) It happens to fit with science, and a lot of evidence, migrations, evolution, fossil record, etc.
Thanks. I try not to get ornery, unless provoked.
Me either, why not accept salvation now? Then there would be no damned. I actually am no expert in the outer darkness, as it is called, where some are placed, out of God's presence.
The surface of the earth did change when they fell. But I am not sure the universe did. That is what I feel that they lived so long then, and so many things were possible that are not now.
Why the dating of the universe change, you ask? The bible talks of the earth being split after the flood/ (divided) It happens to fit with science, and a lot of evidence, migrations, evolution, fossil record, etc. It also was a time when spirits were last known to be real near, and even marry women here. The division was in the days of Peleg, and he was born, by many, if not most interpretations, 101 years after the flood. In his days was the earth 'divided'. It also happens to be 120 years after God gave a dire 120 year warning. It also happens to be the time of Babel.
No. Beside Him, there is no God. But obviously there are lots of beings, spirits.
I don't mind honest questions. The universe fabric, and when it changed is always on topic.
I don't fancy eternity knowing my parents are suffering eternally because they died atheists. Apparently I love them more than your God.
There are internal contradictions in your views and you can't explain them. You don't even seem to accept that they exist.
No. All that has been done with dating, in science is to apply the decay and laws and processes we know, to the deeply unknown. For science to address the bible past, or future, it has to grow into a body of knowledge and study of more than the physical only present state. Until then, it is not in a position to address it.I don't think you're right that your ideas fit with science, or that any evidence supports your split dating, but I think that's been addressed at length elsewhere.
If that is true, I can understand that. But I also would have to ask what their current advice to you would be. ..If they loved you.I don't fancy eternity knowing my parents are suffering eternally because they died atheists. Apparently I love them more than your God.
Then I guess you don't fancy earth either.In fact, I don't fancy eternity at all, especially with the knowledge that eternal suffering exists for anyone.
You don't even seem to accept that they exist. A lot of what you say doesn't come from the bible and doesn't fit with observable reality. Thanks for trying, but I'll take Hespera's advice.
Cheers!
Right, I guess you would let them torment others. How just. God, move over.Personally if someone gave me the ability to torment someone in agony for eternity I would probably not be able to do that. I can't imagine hating someone so much that I could, on my choice, allow them to be tortured for eternity.
God does not make people feel bad. He sent His Own son to die, so all men who wanted could be saved. If they chose to fight His spirit and love, and gifts, there comes a point that they need to take a hike.I have definitely disliked someone enough to want to make them feel bad for a while. But eternity?
I've definitely been a hard-person and said "you made your bed, now you lie in it", but for eternity?
I always wondered about that aspect of God.
Because the price was paid in full for the crimes by Jesus.Further how is one all-merciful and all-just? Isn't one tempered by the other? If justice is meted out without fail, how can mercy ever be allowed? If mercy is given one undeserved, how can justice be complete?
From the best estimates I can find, that are bible based, the flood about 4500 years ago, and the split about 4400 years ago.And when did this flood and split occur?
From the best estimates I can find, that are bible based, the flood about 4500 years ago, and the split about 4400 years ago.
You have been arguing here for years that The Split does NOT fit with science, physical evidence, etc. because the present "state" is different from the past "state!" As far as "evidence" is concerned the only "evidence" is your erroneous, hubris-clouded interpretation of a few lines from scripture. If you have anything else, you are sure keeping it a secret!Why the dating of the universe change, you ask? The bible talks of the earth being split after the flood/ (divided) It happens to fit with science, and a lot of evidence, migrations, evolution, fossil record, etc.
We do. The tombs of Egypt, for example (regardless of same state dating) seem to be a memorial to the shorter life spans and rapid onslaught of death.Well, then, we should have plenty of documentation from peoples around the world about the nature of the universe taking a sharp left turn around that time.
No. You have it wrong. Of course it fits the evidence. Name it, and it fits.You have been arguing here for years that The Split does NOT fit with science, physical evidence, etc. because the present "state" is different from the past "state!" As far as "evidence" is concerned the only "evidence" is your erroneous, hubris-clouded interpretation of a few lines from scripture. If you have anything else, you are sure keeping it a secret!
We do. The tombs of Egypt, for example (regardless of same state dating) seem to be a memorial to the shorter life spans and rapid onslaught of death.
No. You have it wrong. Of course it fits the evidence. Name it, and it fits.
Guess you'll never know. One thing is certain, they took death awful seriously, and tombs were coming out the gazebo over there. If the shoe fits..Or they could be monuments to their dead Pharaohs. How do they "seem" to be anything else?...
I have a better idea, dad. You name some hypothetical evidence that would not fit with your dadology. I bet you cannot, because it is all ad hoc to fit anything and everything.
How about 9550 years old? I guess that pushes the flood back just a little.Now now, just because the different state fits all the actual evidence, is noo need to get coy.
By the way, wheres the pics of pre 4500 level tree rings? Let that be a lesson in claiming stuff you can't back up. This one's on me.
Let that be a lesson in claiming stuff you can't back up.
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