Speaking In Tounges...

[His_disciple3]

Quick question here.I dont want to quote...

But Oscarr and the other pentecostal talked about "praying in tongue" that are unknown except to God..?

Why dont I just speak to God in English? I mean I am sure he can understand that cant he? If there some heavenly language that will make my prayer more powerful? I dont see that in the bible..

Honestly this gibberish tongue speaking thing in many Word of Faith and Pentecostal churches is so unbiblical even unbelievers can see it..

Oh and dont forget about those Satanic Brownsville revivals where people were barking like dogs and roosters, and saying it was of God and the Holy Spirit...do pentecostals do these things today still?

well have you ever been in a men's prayer room (not to mention any denomination) before revival meetings where they are all yelling, almost like they think that God is deaf or either the loudest prayer will be heard first. when Jesus clearly teaches not to pray out in public so that others will see you . but be like the one that humbles himself and put His Chin to his Chest and prayers to God, where is God in a meeting like that would we say like you are all are so fast to say where every one in Church praying out loud at the same time is unbibical and or of the devil??
ok so some pentecostal prays in tongues wrong, does that make them unlearned pertaining to praying in tongues or of the devil?? and does this make all who pray in tongues of the devil. so some baptist like to pray for show does this make them of the devil or unlearned in praying and does this make all baptist devil worshippers???? a babe in Christ won't know all the doctrine in any denomination they all learn and grow in knowledge and like some children some never grow up they continue in their childish ways all through life, so they may remain inmature but to say they are doing works of the devil, isn't this judging them?

 

[stelow]

What are your beliefs on tongues?

Do you speak tongues? If so what is it like? How does it make you feel?

I believe the word tongues in the bible equals languages...

I presently don't speak other languages, that I've never learned to speak and feel I never did really. I have a hard enough time with my native language, not alone one I never had learned to speak.

I was one who was led to believe, I was to seek the gift of tongues (unknown languages) and that God would grant this gift as evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I eventually began to do as I was led to believe, but it never felt right to me.

Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[His_disciple3]

I believe the word tongues in the bible equals languages...

I presently don't speak other languages, that I've never learned to speak and feel I never did really. I have a hard enough time with my native language, not alone one I never had learned to speak.

I was one who was led to believe, I was to seek the gift of tongues (unknown languages) and that God would grant this gift as evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I eventually began to do as I was led to believe, but it never felt right to me.

Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I really don't know how to say this but "if they speak not according to this word" this has nothing to do with speaking tongues or speaking in unknown tongues, as far as the word says about speaking in tongues it says not to forbid anyone to speak in tongues!

 

[NvxiaLee]

I believe that speaking in tongues in our churches today, show that the one has received the Holy Spirit and the power of devils run away from a person. What I see they usually pray to confess their sins on the process the[y] fall down and start speaking in different tongues. Later they say how they got saved to glorify our Lord.

Wasn't Oscarr just saying something about circus acts? A bunch of people falling down and speaking in tongues. That's the image I have now, similar to earlier in the thread when someone mentioned a whole class, every child speaking tongues together.

Reports of such activities don't bring awe, but eye rolls instead. It doesn't impress me. Rather, I think it's mocking God.

 

[stelow]

I really don't know how to say this but "if they speak not according to this word" this has nothing to do with speaking tongues or speaking in unknown tongues, as far as the word says about speaking in tongues it says not to forbid anyone to speak in tongues!

I already know we interpret 1 Corinthians 14, from two different perspectives. Paul lays out the criteria for speaking in another language to others who would not understand the language, then goes on after the verse you partially quoted and says; "And let all things be done decently and in order."

 

[His_disciple3]

I already know we interpret 1 Corinthians 14, from two different perspectives. Paul lays out the criteria for speaking in another language to others who would not understand the language, then goes on after the verse you partially quoted and says; "And let all things be done decently and in order."

first question; if unknown tongue means another language then how is that unknown someone knows the language, it can't be an unknown tongue.
and are you saying that if God chose to bless someone with the gift of tongues to edify the Body, that you would consider that indecent and out of order??

 

[chris4243]

and are you saying that if God chose to bless someone with the gift of tongues to edify the Body, that you would consider that indecent and out of order??

How does gibberish edify anything?

 

[Jeremy1979]

Very, very interesting topic! I read through the entire thread and there are a lot of good viewpoints here. My personal vision on speaking in tongues is this:
What was the purpose of speaking in tongues to begin with? Wasn’t it to provide people of other languages with the Word? I believe the majority of people who speak in tongues in a public environment are doing it to glorify themselves before other men. If this is a “gift” given by the Holy Spirit, then why do only certain groups possess this “gift”? I don’t buy it. I feel that fasting is along these same lines. Are you fasting in secret to please the Father, or are you telling everyone in order to get admiration from other men?

In one church (Pentecostal actually), a guy was pointed out to me, and was told he was on a 40 day fast. He looked very saintly. But Jesus said that when we fast, we do it into secret and not let anyone know that we are fasting. So if this guy on his 40 day fast was mincing around displaying how spiritual he was as he was fasting, was he being sincere, or being a hypocrite wanting to impress others? Do you think that the spiritual value of his fast would have been lessened?

Well.....How did you learn that he was on a 40 day fast? Evidently it was known in the church.

If the Holy Spirit moves you to speak in tongues, then I guess nobody should stand in your way. But I would be cautious as to the motives behind it. The Scripture also tells us to say what you mean. It is pointless to speak in tongues if nobody understands what you are saying. And how does the interpreter know what that person is saying? I don't buy it.

"37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." (Matthew 5:37)

 

[His_disciple3]

How does gibberish edify anything?

I think Oscar has already answered this one! when people speak spanish, it sounds like gibberish to me. when they speak french it sounds like gibberish to me also. just because you don't understand someone does mean they are not speaking a lanuage, doesn't the Bible mention about moaning in the Spirit, I imagine when that happened in the Bible someone could have called that gibberish also, does 20 men yelling out prayers in church edify anything? so are all those that pray the proper way suppose to stop praying because 20 don't know how to pray? the gifts can be faked just as well as someone's walk with God can be faked, do we all stop worshipping because a few want to fake it ?? wasn't judas a fake so maybe all the disciples were a fake in your standard then I mean if one fakes it, it all must be faked Right? NOT!!!!!!

 

[brightmorningstar]

1 Corinthians 14:2 "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

There are people who may speak other languages and people who speak mysteries by the Spirit. Some churches encourage one to interpret what they utter. This can work, especially in worship.

 

[Jeremy1979]

1 Corinthians 14:2 "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

There are people who may speak other languages and people who speak mysteries by the Spirit. Some churches encourage one to interpret what they utter. This can work, especially in worship.

The scripture you quoted says exactly the opposite of your comment. If you are speaking in tongues and no one understands you because you are uttering mysteries........then how would another person be able to interpet? I don't see how "This can work, especially in worship."

 

[brightmorningstar]

The scripture you quoted says exactly the opposite of your comment. If you are speaking in tongues and no one understands you because you are uttering mysteries........then how would another person be able to interpet? I don't see how "This can work, especially in worship."

Its a gift of the Spirit and needs the gift of interpretation. If everyone could understand there would be no need for a spiritual gift of interpretation.

 

[najiramlee]

Another point God just gave me, I speak in english ( not very good at it ) But i speak in English, English is a tongue, if all tongues are just languages I speak in the English tongue/langauge, so when I preached sunday to an English speaking people, I spoke in tongues why would there have to be an interpreter?? if tongues means a language everyone does speak in tongues. to say that tongues just means different languages this is a wrong teaching of tongues, and it is just as wrong to say speaking in unknown tongues is the evidence of being saved.


1 Corinthians 13:1
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
KJV

I agree with you. Not all incidences can there be a translator present or needed. Just like in the church my friend attends to, a Church member or two had been heard speaking in the Chinese language.

On the other hand, sometimes God send you interpreters for some reasons. A friend told me that there was this American who was praying on the road, actually speaking in tongues, then suddenly a man from our country who speaks this native tongue I also speak heard him and talked to him asking if he really could speak "Bisaya", the language he was uttering while praying. Then the American told him he can't understand a thing he is saying. That man who asked the American was no Christian therefore he doesn't know anythings about speaking in tongues. As the American explained why he had spoken those words ("Sunda si Hesus, Sunda si Hesus." which translates to "Follow Jesus, Follow Jesus.") while walking, the man who had translated the American's prayers was amazed and then got saved in an instant.

 

[Jeremy1979]

Its a gift of the Spirit and needs the gift of interpretation. If everyone could understand there would be no need for a spiritual gift of interpretation.

Ok, so there are people who have the "gift" of speaking in tongues and people with the "gift" of interpreting what the people speaking in tongues are saying......... :o

And then you have scripture that says, "37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." (Matthew 5:37)

I'm going to have to vote no to tongues and speak to my fellow man in language that they understand in order to spread the Good News.

 

[chris4243]

I think Oscar has already answered this one! when people speak spanish, it sounds like gibberish to me. when they speak french it sounds like gibberish to me also. just because you don't understand someone does mean they are not speaking a lanuage, doesn't the Bible mention about moaning in the Spirit, I imagine when that happened in the Bible someone could have called that gibberish also, does 20 men yelling out prayers in church edify anything? so are all those that pray the proper way suppose to stop praying because 20 don't know how to pray? the gifts can be faked just as well as someone's walk with God can be faked, do we all stop worshipping because a few want to fake it ?? wasn't judas a fake so maybe all the disciples were a fake in your standard then I mean if one fakes it, it all must be faked Right? NOT!!!!!!

I'm still not getting how you're edified when someone talks in Spanish to you.

 

[najiramlee]

I'm still not getting how you're edified when someone talks in Spanish to you.

speaking in tongue edifies yourself and not other people. prophesying is the one that edifies other people.

1 Corinthians 14:4
He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.

no one can be edified by listening to someone speaking in tongues unless he understands it.

 

[His_disciple3]

I'm still not getting how you're edified when someone talks in Spanish to you.

oh my goodness!! I never said i was edified, I was talking about your term for tongues as gibberish. all lanuages that one can't understand sounds like gibberish, just because you say it sounds like gibberish doesn't mean it is not from God.

 

[His_disciple3]

Ok, so there are people who have the "gift" of speaking in tongues and people with the "gift" of interpreting what the people speaking in tongues are saying......... :o

And then you have scripture that says, "37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." (Matthew 5:37)

I'm going to have to vote no to tongues and speak to my fellow man in language that they understand in order to spread the Good News.

hello I am not going to keep saying that you are taking some scriptures way out of contents But I would recommend that you go ask your pastor If matthew 5: 37 has anything to do with speaking in unknown tongues!

 

[NvxiaLee]

A friend told me that there was this American who was praying on the road, actually speaking in tongues, then suddenly a man from our country who speaks this native tongue I also speak heard him and talked to him asking if he really could speak "Bisaya", the language he was uttering while praying. Then the American told him he can't understand a thing he is saying. That man who asked the American was no Christian therefore he doesn't know anythings about speaking in tongues. As the American explained why he had spoken those words ("Sunda si Hesus, Sunda si Hesus." which translates to "Follow Jesus, Follow Jesus.") while walking, the man who had translated the American's prayers was amazed and then got saved in an instant.

That sounds like the fictional stories constantly fed to Pentecostals by itinerant ministers looking for a payday by speaking on various churches and religious groups. The National Language Act of 1967 made English an official language of Malaysia, where Bisayans are an ethnic group. Why would God have an English-speaker speak in a primitive language where everyone speaks English?

For what reason should anyone belief this story? BTW "Sunda" doesn't mean "follow" in the Bisayan language.

 

[chris4243]

oh my goodness!! I never said i was edified, I was talking about your term for tongues as gibberish.

I thought you said the gift of tongues was to edify the Body? If it is just to edify the individual, perhaps it should be done individually at home and in private, much like Jesus taught that prayer and fasting should be.

all lanuages that one can't understand sounds like gibberish, just because you say it sounds like gibberish doesn't mean it is not from God.

Doesn't mean that it is from God either. And this is the problem -- if it is not distinguishable from something that is not from God, than it is prone to have a lot of false people speaking gibberish just to look good in front of others. Just like fasting, except that no one can tell whether you're actually doing it or not.

In any case, Paul said people speaking in tongues in church should have someone translating.