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When a person is filled with the Holy Spirit and prays to God in his private prayer time with God, He is the only person who understands it. That is what Paul is saying. I don't understand how your story about car keys is relevant to Paul's teaching on the gift of tongues.

The lost keys analogy was simple and direct:
If no one knows where your keys are, only God knows.
If no one knows what you're saying, only God knows.
It's dumb to take that as an instruction to lose your keys.
It's dumb to take that as an instruction to use words no one knows.

If a flute does not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute?
If the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
Unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, you will be speaking into the air.
One who speaks in an unknown tongue does not speak to men but to God. But one who prophesies speaks to men.

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. So what shall I do? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also. When you pray in your own language, both the spirit and the mind prays.

What value is there in saying a prayer that you don't understand? What's the point of God praying to God? Who offers a truism (the spirit prays), but in the same breath a criticism (unfruitful mind), if there is an intent to instruct to practice?

Brethren, do not be children in your thinking... If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret... God is not a God of confusion...

It's not smart to take Paul's criticism of the abuse of tongues and think he's not criticizing the abuse of tongues, but is teaching something else.

(BTW, just like the other Pentecostal who refused to answer my question of she thinks Paul knows EVERYTHING when he said "though I know everything", I knew you would refuse to directly answer my question about of God wants Christians to speak to the air, per 1Cor14:9. It's almost as if the two of you know Paul isn't saying what you insist he's saying.)
 
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I would say that any theology that says that the written New Testament, including the whole of 1 Corinthians, is not true, has to be anti-Baptist.

Pentecostalism is contrary to general Baptist tradition and of the denominations that represent the vast majority of Baptists. The existence of a few Pentecostal Baptist denominations does not refute the rule.

The Southern Baptist Convention does not kick churches out, except in the most extreme cases. Baptist churches are independent, and punishment rarely extends beyond limiting a rogue church's involvement in the SBC hierarchy.
 
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Brother Oscarr, how would you read 1 Cor 14:5 if you were totally innocent/ignorant of the pentecostal understanding of "tongues"?

Let's say you cracked open your Bible 300 years ago and read 1 Cor 14:5 for the first time. Do you think you might understand it differently?

I submit yes, your understanding would be different my friend. I think you are reading your own understanding into the text. The words on the page sound like they are affirming what you believe, so you assume the meaning and latch onto it.

If someone who has no idea about the pentecostal understanding of tongues reads that chapter, they would still think the Apostle is simply talking about human languages that already exist:

1Co 14:1-11
(1) Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
(2) For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
(3) On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.
(4) The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.
(5) Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
(6) Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?
(7) If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played?
(8) And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle?
(9) So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air.
(10) There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning,
(11) but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me.

He's still talking bout worldly languages in verse 2 my friend. He's simply saying that nobody understands that particular language. It is a baseless assertion and eisegesis to suggest that Paul is referring to the modern day pentecostal understanding of tongues.

So rather than cut 1 Cor 14 out of my Bible I'll simply understand it differently than you :) I'll try to understand it the way a reader from 200, 500, or 1800 years ago would understand it, before the 20th century Pentecostal movement :D

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You had better get a pair of scissors and cut 1 Corinthians 14 out of your Bible. You are better off without it, because you obviously don't believe what it says.

If you did happen to read the chapter closely, you will see that it is Paul teaching the wayward Corinthians the correct way to use the gift of tongues and prophecy. He did not have to teach the other churches because they were already using these gifts in the correct manner. But the Corinthians had a few problems with tongues and prophecy, so Paul had to put them right. This means that Paul's teaching about tongues and prophecy in 1 Corinthians 14 is the bench mark for the use of tongues in the churches, including today's church (if it is God's church that is, and not a dead monument).

Notice that it says that the person who speaks in an unknown tongues speaks directly to God because no person is able to understand them.

He also says that if a person wants to speak in tongues in church, make sure there is an interpreter, otherwise do his speaking to himself and to God and not out loud so that other people can hear and misunderstand it to be a message to the group. This means that there is a private use for tongues where the speaker is alone with God and that God hears and understands the language.

So what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14 contradicts your view that it has to be an understandable language every time. Corinthians support that the gift is a public and private one, fulfilling two different purposes.

If you think that tongues is jibber jabber, you want to hear two Indian or Chinese people talking together. It all sounds like gobbledygook to me, yet they are speaking intelligible languages. I have interviewed many ethnic people, using an interpreter and it always amazes me how that the jibber jabber they speak translates into very intelligent and insightful English.

I think you need to do a bit more honest talking with God about it, and then stick around and spend a bit of time with Him allowing Him to open your mind about it, instead of you just repeating parrot fashion what other anti-tongues people are saying. It's no point finding out more about something from others who are untaught as well. Your first step is to learn that "tongues" is spelled that way, and not "tounges". Once you have got that right, you are halfway there! ^_^

You have to use your common sense. If you want to find out more about, say restaurant cooking, you wouldn't go and learn from someone who can't cook. You would consult someone who has experience in that field.

So if you want to know more about the gifts of the Spirit, including tongues and prophecy, wouldn't you go and find a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian whom you trust to be a good solid person who would not give you any hype or baloney, but would give you a sound, Scriptural account of it? That would make sense to me. I got my MA in English by being taught by those who had PhDs in English. I got my teacher's diploma through qualified teachers. I had a fool of a teacher when I learned violin (I taught myself), and although I can play respectably, I could have done a lot better having a qualified and experienced violin teacher.
 
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Pentecostalism is contrary to general Baptist tradition and of the denominations that represent the vast majority of Baptists. The existence of a few Pentecostal Baptist denominations does not refute the rule.

The Southern Baptist Convention does not kick churches out, except in the most extreme cases. Baptist churches are independent, and punishment rarely extends beyond limiting a rogue church's involvement in the SBC hierarchy.

The articles of faith of the Baptist church states quite clearly that the final authority for doctrine are the written Scriptures. This means that 1 Corinthians 14 and its teaching on tongues is part of those written Scriptures, and if the Baptist church is to be consistent with its own articles of faith, it has to accept Paul's teaching on tongues as sound doctrine which overrules any other contrary doctrine that some churches impose on people. The teaching on tongues is very clear, and the Scriptural basis for cessationism is very unclear. So, a literal reading of the Baptist articles of faith would encourage me to believe Paul's teaching on tongues and put it into practice, as many Baptist churches and people are discovering. It is a matter of honouring God's Word and obeying it. If people are obligated to live according to 1 Corinthians 13, then they should be the same in the light of 1 Corinthians 14. Otherwise we are being obedient to one part of the Word, but disobedient to another.

Consistency, thou art a jewel!
 
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Most Protestant Churches claim the Bible is the sole final authority. But, every church has it's own authority to interpret the Bible. As I have previously state, the position of the SBC is that tongues in the Bible are languages spoken by human populations. And, while the SBC doesn't explicitly take the cessationist position, they implicitly take it. The SBC leadership objects to the practice of tongues today.

The SBC is much closer to the real meaning of 1Cor14 than Pentecostals. And, just because people in Corenth spoke in tongues doesn't mean that anyone in a Pentacostal church is speaking tongues, whatever your view on cessationism.

The practice of tongues hardly existed more than a century ago. So, all older Denominations, including various Baptist denominations, have traditionally objected to tongues. The Pentecostal denominations, such as the Assemblies of God, are very young. The only American denomination I know of which is Pentacostal and uses the Baptist name is a tiny denomination formed after WII.

What follows is not the Baptist position, by my position. Peter explained Pentacostalism by saying those were the last days. It defies reason to think the last days have continued for 2000 years. It makes a joke of the meaning of "last". Even Pentacostals reject that insanity when they call now the last days and clearly mean our modern time, not the whole of the last 2000 years ago. The last days of the age Peter lived in ended in the first century, with a clear sign being the destruction of the Temple.

Tongues is irrelevant today and I don't see God performing irrelevant miracles, especially when the people who has doing this has turned his church into a circus.
 
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Most Protestant Churches claim the Bible is the sole final authority. But, every church has it's own authority to interpret the Bible. As I have previously state, the position of the SBC is that tongues in the Bible are languages spoken by human populations. And, while the SBC doesn't explicitly take the cessationist position, they implicitly take it. The SBC leadership objects to the practice of tongues today.

The SBC is much closer to the real meaning of 1Cor14 than Pentecostals. And, just because people in Corenth spoke in tongues doesn't mean that anyone in a Pentacostal church is speaking tongues, whatever your view on cessationism.

The practice of tongues hardly existed more than a century ago. So, all older Denominations, including various Baptist denominations, have traditionally objected to tongues. The Pentecostal denominations, such as the Assemblies of God, are very young. The only American denomination I know of which is Pentacostal and uses the Baptist name is a tiny denomination formed after WII.

What follows is not the Baptist position, by my position. Peter explained Pentacostalism by saying those were the last days. It defies reason to think the last days have continued for 2000 years. It makes a joke of the meaning of "last". Even Pentacostals reject that insanity when they call now the last days and clearly mean our modern time, not the whole of the last 2000 years ago. The last days of the age Peter lived in ended in the first century, with a clear sign being the destruction of the Temple.

Tongues is irrelevant today and I don't see God performing irrelevant miracles, especially when the people who has doing this has turned his church into a circus.

all the Baptist I have ever heard speak of the "last days" say that they began when Jesus acended and will continue until He comes back, a thousand years as a day and a day as a thousand years with God, Peter at pentecost said that this was the beginning/fulfilling of Joel's prophecy (joel 2) and it would continue til the moon turns to blood and the sun darkens on that greta a notable day that the Lord comes. if the last days ended in the first century then what days are we in now ??? wow I never heard anyone said that we are not in the last days
 
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The practice of tongues hardly existed more than a century ago. So, all older Denominations, including various Baptist denominations, have traditionally objected to tongues. The Pentecostal denominations, such as the Assemblies of God, are very young. The only American denomination I know of which is Pentacostal and uses the Baptist name is a tiny denomination formed after WII....
Throughout church history, there have been examples of people speaking in the supernatural gift of the Spirit of tongues.

Here is but one example from Tertullian (ca. AD 155-222). When writing to the heretic, Marcion, Tertullian wrote:
"Let Marcion then exhibit, as gifts of his god, some prophets, such as have not spoken by human sense, but with the Spirit of God, such as have both predicted things to come, and have made manifest the secrets of the heart; let him produce a psalm, a vision, a prayer--only let it be by the Spirit, in an ecstasy, that is, in a rapture, whenever an interpretation of tongues has occurred to him;... Now all these signs (of spiritual gifts) are forthcoming from my side without any difficulty..."—Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book 5 Chapter 8 #447.
See "Tongues throughout Church history" by Rev. Mel Montgomery, which demonstrates that the gift of tongues, one of the gifts of the Spirit, was manifested throughout church history.

In Christ, Oz
 
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Quick question here.I dont want to quote...

But Oscarr and the other pentecostal talked about "praying in tongue" that are unknown except to God..?

Why dont I just speak to God in English? I mean I am sure he can understand that cant he? If there some heavenly language that will make my prayer more powerful? I dont see that in the bible..

Honestly this gibberish tongue speaking thing in many Word of Faith and Pentecostal churches is so unbiblical even unbelievers can see it..

Oh and dont forget about those Satanic Brownsville revivals where people were barking like dogs and roosters, and saying it was of God and the Holy Spirit...do pentecostals do these things today still?
 
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all the Baptist I have ever heard speak of the "last days" say that they began when Jesus acended and will continue until He comes back, a thousand years as a day and a day as a thousand years with God, Peter at pentecost said that this was the beginning/fulfilling of Joel's prophecy (joel 2) and it would continue til the moon turns to blood and the sun darkens on that greta a notable day that the Lord comes. if the last days ended in the first century then what days are we in now ??? wow I never heard anyone said that we are not in the last days

I was a bit sloppy in what I said earlier. Educated Pentecostals, aware of Peter's, and similar statements, all agree that the "last days" started a couple of thousand of years ago. But, when you hear Pentecostals, in general, proclaim these are the last days, they clearly do so in the context of just the very modern times and not the last 2000 years.

They say things like "We see by Israel becoming a nation [or other signs] that we're in the last days..." Or, "Judgment day is May 21, these truly are the last days."
 
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SwordoftheLord,
Quick question here.I dont want to quote...

But Oscarr and the other pentecostal talked about "praying in tongue" that are unknown except to God..?

Why dont I just speak to God in English? I mean I am sure he can understand that cant he? If there some heavenly language that will make my prayer more powerful? I dont see that in the bible..

Honestly this gibberish tongue speaking thing in many Word of Faith and Pentecostal churches is so unbiblical even unbelievers can see it..

Oh and dont forget about those Satanic Brownsville revivals where people were barking like dogs and roosters, and saying it was of God and the Holy Spirit...do pentecostals do these things today still?
Instead of giving us your presuppositions, why don't you examine the Scriptures carefully, especially passages such as 1 Corinthians 12-14, Ephesians 4:11-16; and Romans 12:3-8?

Your post reveals these presuppositions of yours:

  • Speaking to God in English is better than the Holy Spirit's gift of tongues;
  • "Gibberish tongue speaking" is your estimate of God's gift of tongues;
  • The gift of tongues for today is not in the Bible;
  • Satanic Brownsville 'barking' revival is typical of [all] Pentecostals;
  • Aberrations in church experience (e.g. Brownsville) are reason to chuck out the whole doctrine of the Holy Spirit's gift of tongues.
Your post was disparaging towards those who believe the Scriptures about the continuing gift of tongues. Why don't you engage in honest, Christian dialogue with us instead of giving us your presuppositions?

In Christ, Oz
 
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Brother Oscarr, how would you read 1 Cor 14:5 if you were totally innocent/ignorant of the pentecostal understanding of "tongues"?

Let's say you cracked open your Bible 300 years ago and read 1 Cor 14:5 for the first time. Do you think you might understand it differently?

I submit yes, your understanding would be different my friend. I think you are reading your own understanding into the text. The words on the page sound like they are affirming what you believe, so you assume the meaning and latch onto it.

If someone who has no idea about the pentecostal understanding of tongues reads that chapter, they would still think the Apostle is simply talking about human languages that already exist:

I am very aware of the Pentecostal view, because I was converted in the AOG and spent the first 12 years of my Christian life in Pentecostal churches. Then I became involved in Anglican and Baptist churches for the next 10 years, and am now an elder of the Presbyterian church.

In the 40 years of my Christian life, I have seen big changes in the Pentecostal churches, and now I have big disagreements about how they practice worship, especially their public use of tongues. I think that they are not being consistent with Paul's clear teaching on it.

So, I have gone back to the Scripture itself and because Paul was a straight talker, I believe that he expected people to take what he said at face value and put no other interpretation on it other than what was actually there.

John Calvin, in the 1500s, said that the only reason why he believed that God withdrew the gift of tongues from the church was that too many churches did what the Corinthians did, misused it to the degree that the practice of speaking in tongues became discredited. He was quite clear that if tongues were practiced in the way that Paul taught it in 1 Corinthians 14, it would not have been discredited and that there would have been no reason why it could not have continued as a prayer tool for Christian believers.

In this sense then, Calvin was not a cessationist. Cessationism is a feature of 18-19th Century belief, when theology became metaphysical and total reliance on the Word of God became corrupted with philosophical thought.

If you are going to say that Paul meant something different about tongues than what he actually taught in 1 Corinthians 14, you might as well say that he didn't really mean what he said about love in 1 Corinthians 13, so therefore we are not obligated to love one another as He taught in that chapter (which is a load of nonsense).

So you cannot take one chapter of NT Scripture literally, and then look for a mystical interpretation of the very next chapter. That is just not consistent.

There is not one Scripture in the New Testament that tells us clearly that the gifts of the Spirit were meant to cease at any time before the second coming of Christ.
 
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Oscarr,

Thanks for your excellent post at #53.

We also have the admonition in 1 Corinthians 14:39:
So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues (ESV).
Seems to me that there are a few in this thread who are going against what the Scriptures state in this verse.

However, I do know there have been various ways of interpreting "tongues" in I Cor. 12-14, but if Paul says, "Do not forbid speaking in tongues", I'm of the view that we should take Paul seriously in God's instruction from the authoritative Scriptures.

In Christ, Oz

P.S. Some of the links to your own article on your website are not working.
 
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I think that "speaking in tongues" as it is currently practiced in some churches against the teaching of the apostles, is a satanic invention to rob people of their faith (by comparison), to puff people up with pride (see how holy I am, I have a spiritual gift), and to incite people to practice deceit. I'll take that back if they have a person speaking in tongues and two separate translators translate the same meaning from that speech.
 
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when you hear Pentecostals, in general, proclaim these are the last days...They say things like "Judgment day is May 21, these truly are the last days."

So one person in a cult type church, which may not even be Pentecostal, predicts the date of judgment day and you assume that all Pentecostals are saying the same thing? ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^

Here in NZ we call cult churches like that "Bush Baptists". How do you like that? :)

How much contact have you had with actual Pentecostals? Have you actually studied Pentecostal theology? I have, and there are very few difference between that and Baptist theology concerning end times and the second coming of Christ. Believe it or not!
 
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I think that "speaking in tongues" as it is currently practiced in some churches against the teaching of the apostles, is a satanic invention to rob people of their faith (by comparison), to puff people up with pride (see how holy I am, I have a spiritual gift), and to incite people to practice deceit. I'll take that back if they have a person speaking in tongues and two separate translators translate the same meaning from that speech.


I'm sure that there are many Christians (not only Pentecostals, but a fair share of Baptists too), who are puffed up with pride. There are plenty who have pride about their natural gifts and theological training too. There are others who have pride because they live "on the right side of the tracks".

But these are immature Christians, whatever their type of church. Believe me, in my many years of rubbing shoulders with Pentecostals, I have seen it all. I have had people say that they practice all nine gifts at once! I have heard people give long, dramatic, Old Testament prophecies that most people forgot as soon as the next hymn was sung. Of course there is a lot of "theatre" in the services. I once saw a visiting preacher go right along a line of about twenty people, laying hands on them one after another without even praying for them, and they all fell down one after another! What was the point of that other than pure theatre?

So, playing the "pride" card is not a strong support for your premise. With every gift and ministry, there is misuse in every denomination. Misuse does not deny the right use of a gift. A counterfeit proves that there is the genuine article.

If people were using the gift of tongues as Paul taught it, you would never hear people speaking in tongues in church services. You would not know the gift existed even, unless someone spoke out in tongues, followed by an interpretation.

It is interesting to know that a true interpretation of tongues comes out as a prayer directed to God, because (surprise, surprise) tongues is directed to God. That's what Paul says anyway...

Sure, praying either in English or tongues in public can be inconsistent with the teaching of Jesus, that when we pray we not be like the hypocrites who love praying in public to demonstrate their spirituality, but we go into our private prayer closets and pray to God in secret. I guess in your church you have those who love to pray long prayers in public. Do you then say that these people are proud and seek to deceive others? But Jesus would call these people hypocrites!

I wonder how many in your church carry big black Bibles around, probably in Bible cases, to show how spiritual they are. Have you heard the saying, "The bigger the Bible, the bigger the hypocrite."

In one church (Pentecostal actually), a guy was pointed out to me, and was told he was on a 40 day fast. He looked very saintly. But Jesus said that when we fast, we do it into secret and not let anyone know that we are fasting. So if this guy on his 40 day fast was mincing around displaying how spiritual he was as he was fasting, was he being sincere, or being a hypocrite wanting to impress others? Do you think that the spiritual value of his fast would have been lessened?

In all the different denominations, Pentecostal and main stream, I have met the same types of proud, self ambitious, man pleasing hypocrites. So Pentecostals are not the only ones. Hypocrisy is a disease that affects the whole church.

So tongues, like anything else in the Christian church, can be used by the devil to deceive people. Formalism and services that programme the Holy Spirit right out of them can also be used of the devil to deceive people that they are worshiping God when all they are doing is attending a "bless me club", or participating in barren rituals.

Church is a place of fellowship. But how can fellowship happen when, in most mainline churches, including the Baptist, and Presbyterian, all we can see are the backs of people necks, and the "one man band" minister performing his/her theatrical act at the front?

So we need to be realistic about all churches, and not single just one denomination out.

I love the joke where the usher is showing visitors into a formal church service, and he is asking them whether they want to sit in the "snoring" or "non snoring" sections. ^_^^_^
 
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So one person in a cult type church, which may not even be Pentecostal, predicts the date of judgment day and you assume that all Pentecostals are saying the same thing? ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^

Date setting is very popular with Pentacostals. Even if not precise dates, then approximate dates (e.g Hal Lindsey). Millions and millions of date-setting books have been sold, showing how popular it is.

How much contact have you had with actual Pentecostals? Have you actually studied Pentecostal theology? I have, and there are very few difference between that and Baptist theology concerning end times and the second coming of Christ. Believe it or not!

Elsewhere in this forum someone asked what the AoG is like, I replied that they're like charismatic Baptists. But, you don't hear in Baptist churches testimonies from people saying they saw a supernatural sign that these are the end times (as if it just started recently, not 2000 years ago). Baptists are much less hyped on end-times things than Pentecostals. And, there's not a traditional Baptist belief that Israel has anything to do with the end times.
 
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Date setting is very popular with Pentacostals. Even if not precise dates, then approximate dates (e.g Hal Lindsey). Millions and millions of date-setting books have been sold, showing how popular it is.



Elsewhere in this forum someone asked what the AoG is like, I replied that they're like charismatic Baptists. But, you don't hear in Baptist churches testimonies from people saying they saw a supernatural sign that these are the end times (as if it just started recently, not 2000 years ago). Baptists are much less hyped on end-times things than Pentecostals. And, there's not a traditional Baptist belief that Israel has anything to do with the end times.

There is a lot of rubbish being taught about end time events. Most of it is pure guess work, and most good commentaries do not compare apocalyptic literature (Daniel and Revelation) with current events.

The teaching about Israel is based on something that Paul alluded to about at some future time, there will be a powerful revival in Israel, and it will be restored to faith in Christ and take its place as part of the Bride of Christ, making Jewish and Gentile believers one in Christ. But that may be well into the future.

There are many smaller AOG and other mainline Pentecostal churches that are very much like Baptist churches. The Presbyterian church I attend is just the same as the Baptist church I attended some years ago. Many of the differences are just cosmetic.

A word about signs. The Scripture speaks about the signs that follow those who believe. Those signs are more in line with Spirit led ministry to win souls to Christ. Calvin said that miracles are there to show sinners that Jesus is alive and that the Gospel is true. This is different to many Pentecostal churches who turn things into circus acts for the spectators. Most of the miracles and healings that happened during the ministry of Smith Wigglesworth, the famous pioneer healing evangelist of the early 20th Century, happened in private homes just as many times as in church services. He wasn't into the circus acts we see today. He concentrated on preaching the Word to generate faith, and sought to minister the power of God to heal the sick.
 
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I believe that speaking in tongues in our churches today, show that the one has received the Holy Spirit and the power of devils run away from a person. What I see they usually pray to confess their sins on the process the fall down and start speaking in different tongues. Later they say how they got saved to glorify our Lord.
 
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rosemary said:
I believe that speaking in tongues in our churches today, show that the one has received the Holy Spirit and the power of devils run away from a person. What I see they usually pray to confess their sins on the process the fall down and start speaking in different tongues. Later they say how they got saved to glorify our Lord.

I guess I'm not saved. Bummer.
 
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