Speaking curses over yourself?

[Alive_Again]

Jesus said, "My meat is to do the will of Him who sent me." What this means that if Jesus said anything expecting it to come to pass, it had to be in the centre of the Father's will for His ministry.

This is supposed to be the heart of our motives.

From within the context of the original question, does it bring infirmity on your body to state say so? Would that constitute a curse?

I believe the answer is that rather than "bringing a curse", it simply allows the unredemptive reality to prevail in your body. It's not wrong to be sick, and although sickness relates to the fall, you can not take care of your body or back on your own (no devils involved at all) and you can legitimately come up with the statement in question (damage your back or be sick).

But the higher kingdom reality is that Jesus paid for your healing in your back. If you know that and have knowledge on how to appropriate healing for your back by acknowledging what Jesus did (calling for it, preferably by scripture), then you at least begin to put the promise to work on your behalf.

The whole "proper speech" thing should be based on the flow of the Spirit in agreement with the Word of God. If our words are directed by the Holy Spirit, and our tongues bridled (cooperating with the grace of God), then what we say won't depart from the truth of scripture.

That shouldn't keep us from acknowledging that we need prayer for physical problems (if we do), but it's just being mindful of the higher kingdom reality (which is your inheritance).

The Mk 11:23 thing from a perspective other than prophetic influence by the Spirit of God really is a form of witchcraft. Yes, man has authority on this earth and his tongue and a believing heart are a means to bind and loose the causative spirit realm to influence this physical realm (and witches do). But a believer's thoughts and words should be directed by God from a "Spirit filled" source.

 

[Frogster]

The Psalms have complaint in them, and they are real life stories of people saying "speaking" what they feel, fear, pain, grief, etc.

We can't curse ourselves, that is silly. Gal 3;13, Jesus took away curses anyway, and besides, those were covenantal stipulations, we can't be cursed by law, we are not under those laws, or it's curses.

 

[Alive_Again]

The Psalms have complaint in them, and they are real life stories of people saying "speaking" what they feel, fear, pain, grief, etc.

The purpose of bridling your tongue is not to deny physical reality or your feelings. In your prayer life it is important be as real with God as you would with anyone else. He knows what's on your heart anyway.

But as you go forth in your walk your words should reflect your place in Christ. The Book of Proverbs have a lot to say about the stewardship of our tongues. Even though they were written in the OT period, they speak to us today.

…Death and life are in the power of the tongue Prov 18
…they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof Prov 18

…Be not rash with thy mouth Eccl 5
…let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God Eccl 5
…he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction Prov 13
…the froward mouth, do I hate Prov 8
…Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth Eph 4
…But now ye also put … filthy communication out of your mouth Col 3
…bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart James 1
…but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit Prov 15

So does it mean that just because you're a believer that these verses become obsolete?

Maybe some feel that a person has to say some really "rotten" or hateful words to reap what these verses speak of? From a new covenant perspective it's trading the spiritual view for the carnal.

Of course we're not specifically talking about mentioning that your back hurts. It's not about being superstitious in a "charismatic" way.

So the admonition to watch your lips is really just way of saying,"Don't forget that your have a covenant that can be laid hold of. Don't capriciously speak as a "natural man".

If you're not believing for your healing, as a deliberate activity, then it probably doesn't matter a whole lot if you acknowledge your back that way. But if you were, then you have a more profitable response that looks to the High Priest of your confession.

 

[Alive_Again]

We can't curse ourselves, that is silly. Gal 3;13, Jesus took away curses anyway, and besides, those were covenantal stipulations, we can't be cursed by law, we are not under those laws, or it's curses.

Declaring Gal 3:13 is part of the cure for attacks against believers; as a weapon against the effects of curses. But sometimes we allow these curses on ourselves due to our behavior. The Word specifically states that certain behavior brings a curse.

“Let me sum it up in just one simple word of advice. If you don’t mean it, don’t say it. If you will follow that one rule, I promise you, it will change your whole life.”
Derek Prince – Does Your Tongue Need Healing?

Regarding curses, I took some notes from a teaching by Derek Prince titled: "Am I Cursed? Breaking Curses and Be Blessed" I'll share some of it with you.

"They may be words that are spoken, words that are written; or simply words that are pronounced inwardly. Blessing, both curses and blessings can be transferred or transmitted by objects (by physical objects), so it is not always just a question of words."

"The cause of curses, not listening to God's voice; not doing what He says."

"Now there are also in the Bible, a number of different sources and specific causes for curses."

"The first source of curses, and this may surprise some of you, is God Himself."

"God both blesses and curses."

"And He said in Gal 1:8-9 - "Let even we, or an angel from Heaven preach any other gospel to you, than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."

AA - Of course Paul is included in the "we" possibly being accursed.

…Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth James 3
…And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity James 3
…that it defileth the whole body James 3
…and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell James 3
… that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man Matt 15
…Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing James 3
…Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? James 3
…Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? James 3
…So can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh James 3
…the mouth of the foolish is near destruction Prov 10

"If you have made a negative remark about yourself; if you have imposed something negative about yourself, you need to revoke it by the positive."

(He's talking about confessing the Word.)

"Now saying that may change the destiny of your life."

"God can protect us from everything, except what we say about ourselves.

Here's something that came from a prophetic word that talks about complaining...

"...and if he hears you confessing how terrible your life is, he will send legions of demons to agree with you and to make your life even worse."

Again, I'm not saying that to say, "My back hurts!" is cursing yourself. But there is a better way to position yourself by only saying what the Word says.

Derek's teaching is on Youtube. If as a believer, you've never broken curses off of you (even in a general way), you'd be surprised how much lighter your walk can be. I'll post the link to the teaching if anyone is interested.

 

[Frogster]

The purpose of bridling your tongue is not to deny physical reality or your feelings. In your prayer life it is important be as real with God as you would with anyone else. He knows what's on your heart anyway.

But as you go forth in your walk your words should reflect your place in Christ. The Book of Proverbs have a lot to say about the stewardship of our tongues. Even though they were written in the OT period, they speak to us today.

…Death and life are in the power of the tongue Prov 18
…they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof Prov 18

…Be not rash with thy mouth Eccl 5
…let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God Eccl 5
…he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction Prov 13
…the froward mouth, do I hate Prov 8
…Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth Eph 4
…But now ye also put … filthy communication out of your mouth Col 3
…bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart James 1
…but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit Prov 15

So does it mean that just because you're a believer that these verses become obsolete?

Maybe some feel that a person has to say some really "rotten" or hateful words to reap what these verses speak of? From a new covenant perspective it's trading the spiritual view for the carnal.

Of course we're not specifically talking about mentioning that your back hurts. It's not about being superstitious in a "charismatic" way.

So the admonition to watch your lips is really just way of saying,"Don't forget that your have a covenant that can be laid hold of. Don't capriciously speak as a "natural man".

If you're not believing for your healing, as a deliberate activity, then it probably doesn't matter a whole lot if you acknowledge your back that way. But if you were, then you have a more profitable response that looks to the High Priest of your confession.

so did the Psalmist make a mistake, talking, or speaking, about the enemy, and how he was in pain and fear from it? look at what he said...


Psalm 55:1-5 Give ear to my prayer, O God,
and hide not yourself from my plea for mercy!
2
Attend to me, and answer me;
I am restless in my complaint and I moan,
3
because of the noise of the enemy,
because of the oppression of the wicked.
For they drop trouble upon me,
and in anger they bear a grudge against me.

4
My heart is in anguish within me;
the terrors of death have fallen upon me.
5
Fear and trembling come upon me,
and horror overwhelms me.

 

[Frogster]

Declaring Gal 3:13 is part of the cure for attacks against believers; as a weapon against the effects of curses. But sometimes we allow these curses on ourselves due to our behavior. The Word specifically states that certain behavior brings a curse.

“Let me sum it up in just one simple word of advice. If you don’t mean it, don’t say it. If you will follow that one rule, I promise you, it will change your whole life.”
Derek Prince – Does Your Tongue Need Healing?

Regarding curses, I took some notes from a teaching by Derek Prince titled: "Am I Cursed? Breaking Curses and Be Blessed" I'll share some of it with you.

"They may be words that are spoken, words that are written; or simply words that are pronounced inwardly. Blessing, both curses and blessings can be transferred or transmitted by objects (by physical objects), so it is not always just a question of words."

"The cause of curses, not listening to God's voice; not doing what He says."

"Now there are also in the Bible, a number of different sources and specific causes for curses."

"The first source of curses, and this may surprise some of you, is God Himself."

"God both blesses and curses."

"And He said in Gal 1:8-9 - "Let even we, or an angel from Heaven preach any other gospel to you, than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."

AA - Of course Paul is included in the "we" possibly being accursed.

…Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth James 3
…And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity James 3
…that it defileth the whole body James 3
…and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell James 3
… that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man Matt 15
…Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing James 3
…Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? James 3
…Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? James 3
…So can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh James 3
…the mouth of the foolish is near destruction Prov 10

"If you have made a negative remark about yourself; if you have imposed something negative about yourself, you need to revoke it by the positive."

(He's talking about confessing the Word.)

"Now saying that may change the destiny of your life."

"God can protect us from everything, except what we say about ourselves.

Here's something that came from a prophetic word that talks about complaining...

"...and if he hears you confessing how terrible your life is, he will send legions of demons to agree with you and to make your life even worse."

Again, I'm not saying that to say, "My back hurts!" is cursing yourself. But there is a better way to position yourself by only saying what the Word says.

Derek's teaching is on Youtube. If as a believer, you've never broken curses off of you (even in a general way), you'd be surprised how much lighter your walk can be. I'll post the link to the teaching if anyone is interested.

but the curses from Gal 3:13 were from the old cov, how can I be under curses from an abolished cov?

Please just provide a short to the point answer.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

but the curses from Gal 3:13 were from the old cov, how can I be under curses from an abolished cov?

Please just provide a short to the point answer.

The only people who are accursed are those who are not converted to Christ. That's why Paul said that if anyone teaches another Jesus or another gospel other than the one he preached, let him be accursed. The person who would teach that stuff would not be converted and therefore would be subject to be accursed.

But the truly converted Christian is alive in Christ. His heart is totally toward Christ. He is living in the correct gospel. All curses have been removed. Even generational curses, because being born again in Christ, he is only one generation from Christ. He has died to his old life and any generational curses that might have been there. A person who believes that he is still subject to generational curses is underestimating the born again experience. If a person is teaching that Christians are subject to curses is teaching another gospel and could be underestimating the effectiveness of the born again state and there putting himself in serious danger of being well out of harmony with God.

 

[Messy]

so did the Psalmist make a mistake, talking, or speaking, about the enemy, and how he was in pain and fear from it? look at what he said...


Psalm 55:1-5 Give ear to my prayer, O God,
and hide not yourself from my plea for mercy!
2
Attend to me, and answer me;
I am restless in my complaint and I moan,
3
because of the noise of the enemy,
because of the oppression of the wicked.
For they drop trouble upon me,
and in anger they bear a grudge against me.

4
My heart is in anguish within me;
the terrors of death have fallen upon me.
5
Fear and trembling come upon me,
and horror overwhelms me.

You can go into extremes and not even ask someone to pray for you or tell them what's the matter. It's not speaking a curse when Jesus asked a man what He could do for him. Nothing Lord, I am healed by Your stripes.
But speaking a curse is: I will never get out of this, this drives me insane, that drives me insane, such things.

 

[Juelrei]

The other day, I was asked how I was doing and told the old friend about my back problems to which they quickly replied,"Don't speak curses over yourself." I had heard similar teaching through the years, but was never shown in Scripture where this teaching comes from. As a side note, doctors did an MRI of my back and there are actual, real problems with it. Can anyone give me some better understanding on the teaching she is talking about with Scripture references?

It seems strange to me indeed that such teachings would not require using supportive sources to establish the teaching that "one can speak curses upon oneself" as Biblically correct.

On that note, it states in Galatians 3:13 that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us.
Meaning the curse(s) of Deuteronomy 28:15-67. Those curses include physical ailments and complaints, sickness and disease.

They would come upon those of covenant with God IF they were disobedient in keeping God's commandments, Deuteronomy 28:15.

When the person asked you how you were doing physically there is nothing wrong with telling them your physical condition just as you would tell a doctor.

Such a reply is not speaking curses upon yourself, but speaking of the physical facts as they are.

If the person wanted to check your faith then the question would be "Do you believe that God heals today?" If you'd replied in saying "God must not heal today because I have these physical problems." That would be a matter of doubt or unbelief which makes the natural or physical condition greater than God's promises to heal those who ask in faith to be healed.

If the person who spoke to you had said that to me and I told them the physical facts concerning how I was doing and they'd replied by saying that I was putting a curse upon myself, I'd have pointed out the distinctive difference between facts and faith to them as I have to you.

And, I would have required of them to explain Biblically how they arrived at such a statement of speaking facts to be a matter of cursing oneself.

 

[Frogster]

The only people who are accursed are those who are not converted to Christ. That's why Paul said that if anyone teaches another Jesus or another gospel other than the one he preached, let him be accursed. The person who would teach that stuff would not be converted and therefore would be subject to be accursed.

But the truly converted Christian is alive in Christ. His heart is totally toward Christ. He is living in the correct gospel. All curses have been removed. Even generational curses, because being born again in Christ, he is only one generation from Christ. He has died to his old life and any generational curses that might have been there. A person who believes that he is still subject to generational curses is underestimating the born again experience. If a person is teaching that Christians are subject to curses is teaching another gospel and could be underestimating the effectiveness of the born again state and there putting himself in serious danger of being well out of harmony with God.

agreed, and I really like the point you made in the red above.

besides, the curses in the Old cov, were allowed, or came by God built into the cov God made. So God is not going to curse us, let alone we are not in the cov anyway.

 

[Frogster]

You can go into extremes and not even ask someone to pray for you or tell them what's the matter. It's not speaking a curse when Jesus asked a man what He could do for him. Nothing Lord, I am healed by Your stripes.
But speaking a curse is: I will never get out of this, this drives me insane, that drives me insane, such things.

but the psalms have verses where the person felt and said the red.

They say things like "I am full of terror." So did they bring the terror because the said that? no....

 

[Messy]

but the psalms have verses where the person felt and said the red.

They say things like "I am full of terror." So did they bring the terror because the said that? no....

Never seen verses where they said that. If Elijah asked Ģod to kill him doesn't mean that was a good thing to say and we should do it too. He was under attack of Jezebel.

 

[Frogster]

Never seen verses where they said that. If Elijah asked Ģod to kill him doesn't mean that was a good thing to say and we should do it too. He was under attack of Jezebel.

it is right n the Psalm I posted here, full of terror, and more..




Psalm 55:1-5 Give ear to my prayer, O God,
and hide not yourself from my plea for mercy!
2
Attend to me, and answer me;
I am restless in my complaint and I moan,
3
because of the noise of the enemy,
because of the oppression of the wicked.
For they drop trouble upon me,
and in anger they bear a grudge against me.

4
My heart is in anguish within me;
the terrors of death have fallen upon me.
5
Fear and trembling come upon me,
and horror overwhelms me.

 

[Frogster]

Never seen verses where they said that. If Elijah asked Ģod to kill him doesn't mean that was a good thing to say and we should do it too. He was under attack of Jezebel.

Jesus said "the poor you will always have with you". Was he 'speaking" a curse making it all happen?

 

[Messy]

it is right n the Psalm I posted here, full of terror, and more..




Psalm 55:1-5 Give ear to my prayer, O God,
and hide not yourself from my plea for mercy!
2
Attend to me, and answer me;
I am restless in my complaint and I moan,
3
because of the noise of the enemy,
because of the oppression of the wicked.
For they drop trouble upon me,
and in anger they bear a grudge against me.

4
My heart is in anguish within me;
the terrors of death have fallen upon me.
5
Fear and trembling come upon me,
and horror overwhelms me.

Oh yes that's discribing how bad it is, but he also says:

As for me, I will call upon God,
And the[bless and do not curse]Lord[bless and do not curse]shall save me.
17[bless and do not curse]Evening and morning and at noon
I will pray, and cry aloud,
And He shall hear my voice.
18[bless and do not curse]He has redeemed my soul in peace from the battle[bless and do not curse]that was[bless and do not curse]against me

Not: I won't get out of this.

 

[Messy]

Jesus said "the poor you will always have with you". Was he 'speaking" a curse making it all happen?

Lol

 

[CGL1023]

Not exactly.
The disciples commented that the fig tree that Jesus had cursed had withered, and Jesus replied;
"Have faith in God. I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain 'go, throw yourself into the sea' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him."

Jesus is talking about having faith in God, asking for something and not doubting that you will receive it - not saying that you are whatever you say about yourself.
This also has to be balanced with verses that say "whatever you ask in my name". Asking in Jesus' name means asking with his authority and according to his will.

What I was talking about was getting things you don't ask God for and that is how the thread started out -- wondering if declaring something vocally resulted in its manifestation. I said it could and gave a reason. The thread author wondered if these were curses which puts the discussion examining how the devil operates. The devil, as we see in the temptation of Jesus, is a scripture twister and does not follow the rules you laid out above. I will continue to think that if someone speaks something negative or evil or slanderous, the devil can decide to enforce that malediction to make it happen.

That is likely to be what Job experienced -- the thing I feared most came upon me... Job 3:25

 

[Frogster]

Oh yes that's discribing how bad it is, but he also says:

As for me, I will call upon God,
And the[bless and do not curse]Lord[bless and do not curse]shall save me.
17[bless and do not curse]Evening and morning and at noon
I will pray, and cry aloud,
And He shall hear my voice.
18[bless and do not curse]He has redeemed my soul in peace from the battle[bless and do not curse]that was[bless and do not curse]against me

Not: I won't get out of this.

But did he experience it, and say, speak it, confess it, etc? The thread is about negative confessions, or "speaking curses", did he make a negative confession, and did he speak a curse by saying what he did?

And did Jesus by saying "the poor you will always have, create the situation, by "speaking it"?

That is the topic.

 

[Frogster]

What I was talking about was getting things you don't ask God for and that is how the thread started out -- wondering if declaring something vocally resulted in its manifestation. I said it could and gave a reason. The thread author wondered if these were curses which puts the discussion examining how the devil operates. The devil, as we see in the temptation of Jesus, is a scripture twister and does not follow the rules you laid out above. I will continue to think that if someone speaks something negative or evil or slanderous, the devil can decide to enforce that malediction to make it happen.

That is likely to be what Job experienced -- the thing I feared most came upon me... Job 3:25

Hi, if it were a formula, then everyone would be in trouble, because they buy insurance against fire, theft, etc, which in done out of fear. They fear loosing all, so they insure all, yes, even as Christians.

Paul did things out of fear, and he feared, it's in the text.

 

[Alive_Again]

And did Jesus by saying "the poor you will always have, create the situation, by "speaking it"?

That is the topic.

It's obviously not the topic. But we can safely say that Jesus sees things as they are. When He said that, He wasn't decreeing it. He wasn't decreeing the devil to do what he will do either, but He knows what's coming and how it will go down, and as the Word, He has declared it.

It's fruitless getting into an argument about this, because if you're "convinced" otherwise, you won't hear it if it's presented to you.

For the sake of the OP, it's not a curse to depict whatever it is you feel; for the sake of telling a doctor, or asking for prayer, etc. However, it is better to get a revelation of the provision for healing and then to believe that. It's better to acknowledge the promise.

But believing in all of that is only part of the equation. If we move out of the rest, attacks come, or our body begins to wear. The admonition to forget not His benefits is always a good one, although mention of a curse is not typically accurate (unless you receive revelation of that).

If anything, it causes you to search out the validity of the statement, or the balance in the intent.