Spanking

[lighthousekid]

It's very true that the proverbs often deal in general principals and hyperbole. But this doesn't mean they are meaningless either, nor that they can be interpreted any way we like. So, what does the author's warning against sparing the rod mean? What principal does the rod convey?

I think the principle is that if you have to correct your child, and that sometimes love needs to be tough.

 

[mont974x4]

NASB
Pro 23:13 Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die.
Pro 23:14 You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.


discipline...yes, beat...no

 

[Calminian]

Many are using the term "discipline." Please define it. Would spanking qualify as discipline?

 

[lighthousekid]

Many are using the term "discipline." Please define it. Would spanking qualify as discipline?

Maiming would be discipline too. Locking a toddler up would be discipline too. Yet would you use them?

Ah, common sense, where art thou?

 

[mont974x4]

Spanking is one tool used in discipline.


discipline (Hebrew)
H4148
מוּסר
mûsâr
moo-sawr'
From H3256; properly chastisement; figuratively reproof, warning or instruction; also restraint: - bond, chastening ([-eth]), chastisement, check, correction, discipline, doctrine, instruction, rebuke



and in Greek
G3809
παιδεία
paideia
pahee-di'-ah
From G3811; tutorage, that is, education or training; by implication disciplinary correction: - chastening, chastisement, instruction, nurture.


Remember, as parents we train/discipline our kids...we are also told to not provoke them to wrath.

 

[Calminian]

Maiming would be discipline too. Locking a toddler up would be discipline too. Yet would you use them?

Ah, common sense, where art thou?

Er, I'm not sure why you're being defensive, and more so why you're refusing to answer a simple questions: what does the rod symbolically stand for? i.e. what kind of discipline does it stand for? Is there a reason you're hesitant to answer?

Boy you're defensive! Nobody's even challenged you yet.

 

[Calminian]

Spanking is one tool used in discipline.

I would agree. Does the rod metaphor convey a message closer to spanking rather than say, a timeout?

 

[lighthousekid]

Er, I'm not sure why you're being defensive, and more so why you're refusing to answer a simple questions: what does the rod symbolically stand for? i.e. what kind of discipline does it stand for? Is there a reason you're hesitant to answer?

Boy you're defensive! Nobody's even challenged you yet.

I already told you what I think it stands for it. Just a general recommendation to discipline your child.

Yes I am defensive. I am in GT.

 

[mont974x4]

I think to understand the "rod" issue you need to consider how a shepherd use his rod and staff.

Is it embarassing? at times. Is it painful? It sure can be. But it is never used as a means of revenge or to simply unleash anger and frustration at some stupid sheep.

 

[lighthousekid]

I think to understand the "rod" issue you need to consider how a shepherd use his rod and staff.

Is it embarassing? at times. Is it painful? It sure can be. But it is never used as a means of revenge or to simply unleash anger and frustration at some stupid sheep.

Never? Well I don't know about shepherd, but I surely do about parents and teachers.

 

[mont974x4]

Know your kids well, and you will know which "rod" you need to use. In some cases a timeout works well, in others a single swift swat on the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], and very very rarely...a spanking...at least in the case of my 4 sons.

regardless, my hackles raise the more government gets involved where it doesn't need to be.

 

[mont974x4]

Hey, were human. We know parents are imperfect.


If a spanking actually gets warranted in my house the kid gets sent to his room to wait for me, I take a few minutes to make sure I'm not mad, and we talk about it before and after.

 

[Calminian]

I already told you what I think it stands for it. Just a general recommendation to discipline your child.

Yes I am defensive. I am in GT.

You really have no reason to be defensive in GT, if you're open minded. If you're afraid someone might change your mind, yes, you'll tend to be evasive and irrational. But then you rob yourself of growing in knowledge if indeed to you need to grow.

And yes I heard your answer about discipline, but this means different things to different people and I don't think all are valid as you pointed out. For instance, I don't think you can link the rod metaphor to locking a kid in a closet or tying them to a tree or cutting off a body part. That's too general and I think it renders the metaphor useless. Nor do I think you can apply to merely guiding a sheep in the right direction, being that the metaphor (in all its uses throughout the proverbs) conveys striking and pain, so it certainly isn't merely talking about a pointing tool.

 

[Calminian]

Hey, were human. We know parents are imperfect.


If a spanking actually gets warranted in my house the kid gets sent to his room to wait for me, I take a few minutes to make sure I'm not mad, and we talk about it before and after.

You sound like a great parent and I consider your kids very fortunate to have you.

 

[mont974x4]

Thanks, but this morning they didn't think so. LOL


It's getting so that making your kids eat oat meal for breakfast can get you turned in to child services. Oh the silliness.

 

[Calminian]

Never? Well I don't know about shepherd, but I surely do about parents and teachers.

You think it should be used out of revenge?

 

[lighthousekid]

You think it should be used out of revenge?

No, but it is done, out of revenge or just to keep a boy from crying.

 

[Calminian]

No, but it is done, out of revenge or just to keep a boy from crying.

But the post you replied to never said it's never done that way, he simply said it shouldn't be done that way.

And just so you know, it sometimes is a good tool to stop crocodile tear temper tantrums. I'm sure you've seen those in supermarkets. I get so mad at parents when they allow that stuff. Makes me want to spank them.

But yes, parents can go over board with spanking and do more harm than good. We can all agree on that.

 

[Droppo]

I don't care if it's Biblical or not (and it's not) - I would NEVER spank a child. It messed my sexuality up in ways that I will never get over. Spanking is sexual and physical abuse- nothing more, and nothing less.

 

[Danyc]

Thanks, but this morning they didn't think so. LOL


It's getting so that making your kids eat oat meal for breakfast can get you turned in to child services. Oh the silliness.

You're a terrible father! I hate you! I can eat whatever the heck I want too-oo! HMPHrey!