Spaceships in the Bible

[Mcrfan343]

That could get here via hyperspace.

 

[JHM]

Read The Book of Enoch, and The Book of Secrets of Enoch. For that matter, read The Book of Jude. You are forgetting Einstein's time compression effect. YES it would take a long time for messages to be transmitted, and YES it would appear to observers to take a very long time to travel from one star to another, BUT for those travelling the time would be foreshortened by varying amounts depending on how fast they were traveling. AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT, TIME STOPS.

 

[Cotjones]

Read The Book of Enoch, and The Book of Secrets of Enoch. For that matter, read The Book of Jude. You are forgetting Einstein's time compression effect. YES it would take a long time for messages to be transmitted, and YES it would appear to observers to take a very long time to travel from one star to another, BUT for those travelling the time would be foreshortened by varying amounts depending on how fast they were traveling. AT THE SPEED F LIGHT, TIME STOPS.

Irrelevant. After the aliens left their home planet at near the speed of light and came here and then back, their home planet would've aged 200 years without them. If the evolution of lifespans on earth is any indication of a natural barrier. That would be too long for most people to be ok with.

Even if it was, that assumes you could approach the speed of light. That is pretty much only theoretically possible. The amount of energy and time needed to accelerate that much is WAAAAAAAY beyond Humans.

In fact, as you accelerate matter. The energy needed to reach the speed of light approaches infinity. It's simply the way space-time works.

Warp engines are purely science fiction at this point. It's a nice way to circumvent the natural laws, but impractical and maybe impossible. To do so would mean to manipulate the fabric of space time, and humans have as of today not been successful in affecting the forces of gravity or magnetism. These may prove impossible tasks.

And not that I believe you would catch this, but shaping an electro-magnetic field isn't the same as affecting the force, Nor is sliding a box down a ramp instead of dropping it an example of affecting gravity.

 

[Willy21]

That could get here via hyperspace.

Oh that's good

 

[eachallberg]

Peace,
Its a shame when people discredit interesting topics in the bible, look at it before you put it in the dark.

The surface has only been scratched. What about...

And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth.
(Acts 10:11)

Peter explains the object more in chapter 11.

Or,

When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.(Matthew 2:9)

What star would be close enough to move like that?

Another,

Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
(Jonah 1:17)

A person can't breathe or not be digested in the belly of a creature (especially in water), but a person can if its a life sustaining apparatus that is fish like.

And,
The usage of "cloud" through out the bible.
Describe a cloud, its the same as a ufo.

Grace be with you all.

 

[Prayer Circle]

The reason we haven't heard from them is that the nearest planet outside the solar system is about 10 light years away. That means that traveling at 7,000,000 mph it would still take you 100 years to get there. It is very likely that life is out there. It's not likely that...

And yet all that is limited to our understanding of the sciences that proclaim, with what we think we know, that it is impossible for aliens to travel here.

While Physics, such as Dr.Michio Kaku, are finding, isn't comporting with what they thought they knew of it. There are things they're discovering that their knowledge of the science thus far, simply can not help them to comprehend.
So we can say alien visits here isn't possible because...
But that's based on what we know. And it's presumptuous given science is finding we don't know as much as we thought, to think our knowledge extends to extra-terrestrial life/beings in any regard.

 

[JHM]

I can't post the fallen angels code here very well, because for some reason this site is saying that a post 2 paragraphs long is over 15000 characters. However here are a few excerts from it :

The first part that I posted was incomplete because of the "Over 15000 Characters" bit.

What the shepherd actually says is :
The iron head of a lance, (Unused root), lifting self up, LIFTING SELF UP, gliding swiftly, a rapidly moving thing, height, emitting a stridulous sound, (dictionary deffinition of "Stridulous" = "High, harsh, shrill, grating"), an ostrich by it's goodly wail.

A woman calls it : "An eagle, a lacerated eagle, equipped with weapons, courageously withstanding close clinging fire."

Another woman says : "Dual nostrils, pipes, copper - brass - steel, red like the throat of a serpent when hissing"

One of the shepherds party says : "Grasp mental concept, a crash of thunder, roar - thunder, a peal of thunder, thunder"

His girlfriend says : " Association of thought with my lover, crash of thunder, noise of war."

For those who have never seen it the "Fallen Angels Code" is an eyewittness account of the initial arrival of the "Fallen Angels" on earth. The first of them arrived in a crew capsule ejected from a shot down spaceship, and the wittnesses saw it all. They saw another ship take off from earth and engage the fallen angels ship, they saw the chase, the battle, and they wittnessed the explosions. They also saw the crew capsule being ejected, saw it land, saw the fallen angels ship crash, and a whole lot more.

The code is an alphabetical / etymological code embedded in the Old Testament. I found it and decoded it partially, (16 pages so far), and posted it in 3 separate posts at the site below. The first post is the scriptural background to the code, the second post is an explanation of how the code works, and the third post is the contents of the code that I have thus far decoded.

Those who want to see it may find it HERE:
View topic - The "Fallen Angels Code" : as decoded to date :: K6Plus :: For K6, Socket 7 users, and beyond!

Those who take the trouble to check it out are welcome to comment on it.

 

[Cotjones]

And yet all that is limited to our understanding of the sciences that proclaim, with what we think we know, that it is impossible for aliens to travel here.

While Physics, such as Dr.Michio Kaku, are finding, isn't comporting with what they thought they knew of it. There are things they're discovering that their knowledge of the science thus far, simply can not help them to comprehend.
So we can say alien visits here isn't possible because...
But that's based on what we know. And it's presumptuous given science is finding we don't know as much as we thought, to think our knowledge extends to extra-terrestrial life/beings in any regard.

The problem with this argument is the same problem with every superstition ever believed by anyone.

Do I concede that it is possible that we lack the understanding that would make UFO's plausible? Yes. It's possible. But that doesn't make the common accounts of them any more likely to be aliens rather than explainable phenomenon.

Most UFO sightings turn out to be honest mistakes such as taking a picture of something outside a window that is really a reflection of the dining room chandelier.

The current state of science leads us to believe that almost every recorded sighting is far more likely to be a intentional or unintentional hoax, mistake, or natural phenomenon. The fact is, the only way anyone ever comes to the conclusion that aliens were responsible for something is because they predetermine that they will interpret explainable phenomenon in that way.

In other words, If you hadn't been subject to a life of science fiction and history channel specials, even if you witnessed a flying saucer you'd probably be more likely to think it was a secret government spy plane.

In fact many attribute the mass panic induced by Orson wells radio broadcast of "wars of the worlds" to be the catalyst for all the alien encounter stories we hear today. After this broadcast the number of reported UFO sighting spiked tremendously.

The issue we are dealing with here is a classic and well studied one. The issue is this: When humans are not capable of knowing exactly what what causes something to happen they have 3 choices:
Attempt to gain the knowledge necessary to understand it (ME).
Forget about it completely.
Or believe that there is an explanation, with no real evidence, belief being subject to person's bias (you guys.)

Now notice that these choices aren't mutually exclusive. You can believe something and still search for its understanding. However, that's not the path most take. Most people take the 2nd and 3rd path. And by the way spreading your belief and convincing others to believe you doesn't count under the first.

In my opinion, it's best not to believe something without real evidence unless there is a clear benefit in it. (IE: God) Bias corrupts observation and does so invalidly. Sometimes this is difficult to avoid (IE: Believing that Evolution contradicts God.) Other times it's easy. Stop believing that everything was caused by aliens and stuff starts to speak for itself.

If there is nothing I can do to stop the world from being destroyed in December, what good does it really do me to believe it? There is no evidence, so most people don't believe it.

However, in the past many situations have existed where people were lead by rhetoric to believe that they had to act a certain way to obtain safety from destruction. Despite no evidence these "end of the world" junkies did believe, because there was benefit in doing so. I'm just saying this to illustrate that belief is very frequently a destructive force and thwarts the progress of mankind.

Read the book "when prophesy fails." It illustrates that when people form these beliefs and stake part of their happiness on them, it becomes very difficult for them to give these beliefs up even in the face of unequivocal dis- confirmation. Conversely, it becomes VERY easy for a person to interpret any unexplained phenomenon (however random and off topic) as supporting evidence to that belief.

If you are thinking tl;dr... Reader's digest: Most people are stupid sheep.

 

[JHM]

@ Cotjones : Bottom line is, since you believe in "Evolution", you cannot believe in the story of creation in the Bible. Further, you completely ignore evidence which supports the story of creation,

 

[Cotjones]

@ Cotjones : Bottom line is, since you believe in "Evolution", you cannot believe in the story of creation in the Bible. Further, you completely ignore evidence which supports the story of creation,

Bottom line is that we are talking about aliens, not evolution.
Bottom line is there is no evidence Human's have ever been contacted.
Bottom line is that there is only conjecture.
But, since they deleted that thread....

Therefore we look at Occam's Razor.

Is it likely that:
#1 EVERY theorem of Biology, immunology, genetics, etc. fits the model of evolution perfectly by coincidence.
#2 All "evidence" or all "studies" ever done support evolution purely by coincidence.
#3 Man was able to comprehend the creation of the earth thousands of years before the first light bulb was created.
#4 Text regarding this knowledge had been handed down correctly interpreted thousands of years before the first written texts we have evidence of.

OR is it likely that the theory is an accurate description of the natural phenomenon?

Now you take it another step and claim that its ALIENS?!?
So not only are you going with a less likely explanation, that all things were purposefully created. But now you are saying that they were created by aliens!



You can quote me on this:

We are going to have to find intelligent life on this planet before we will be able to find it elsewhere.

 

[Touma]

OP and others in this thread: Since you believe that Aliens are present in the Scriptures, I ask you this:

Why wasn't there an indepth description of these beings? Spaceships? Surely ancient man was keen to detail, just as much as modern man. Surely they would have described what they saw, in much more detail.

Do you believe that pyramids, Nazca Lines, Stone Henge, etc are all creations of ancient aliens?

 

[Touma]

We are going to have to find intelligent life on this planet before we will be able to find it elsewhere.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[JHM]

You seem to fail to realize that ancient Hebrew did not have words for things like "Spaceships". The people who saw these things described them as best they could using those words available in their language. Further, if you bothered to read and study the Bible, you would find that there was more than one entity involved in creation. Read the "Fallen Angels Code", then tell me it isn't spaceships being referred to.

 

[Touma]

You seem to fail to realize that ancient Hebrew did not have words for things like "Spaceships". The people who saw these things described them as best they could using those words available in their language. Further, if you bothered to read and study the Bible, you would find that there was more than one entity involved in creation.

Way to avoid the question. Shows that you are not serious about other thoughts on this subject.

 

[JHM]

Seems you and Cotjones are "Hopeless Cases". To answer that part of your question that I did not answer : No I don't think the pyramids, or stonehenge were created by aliens. As for Nazca Lines, I am not familiar with them. As for intelligent life, I already posted one of my IQ sheets. IQ = 154, and that isn't the best I have ever done, just the best I still have a copy of.

 

[Ronald]

Since our first rocket to outer space, we haven't been able to go any faster than 18,000 mph with all the advancements of technology, that's almost 50 years. Even if we could go 100,000 mph, it would take 75 years just to get to the nearest star. Any molecular structures, ships and certainly including all biological life forms, would break apart doing zig zags through our atmosphere and 5,000 mph. Any life or structure could not sustain that kind of G force. Think about it, vital organs would be ripped out of the orifices, bones would snap instantly and cells would turn into mush and splat on the windshield. Oh yeah, the windshield that can withstand smashing into objects in space and 1,000,000 mph ... yeah sure! A wild imagination is needed here.

But let's push it faster even to 1,000,000 mph to get there in 7.5 years to see what? Nothing! But there is a big problem, if you hit one little rock the size of your fist going that fast, it would be over. You could not navigate at high speeds like that and avoid asteroid belts and smaller objects that would certainly cut your trip short. Warp speed exists only in Star Trek and Star Wars. It does exist in the spiritual realm where physical space and time aren't factors.

 

[JHM]

I don't know the details of how GOD, and the Devil too for that matter, go about avoiding collisions with objects in space, but I do know that an antimatter powered ship would immensely increase the energy available. Further I also strongly suspect that "Scientists" are wrong when they say that matter and antimatter are mutually attractive. The experiment which they used to arrive at that conclusion, was to create an antimatter particle, then release it while watching for the energy of conversion. That experiment has been conducted many times; and conversion has always been the result. They therefore concluded that matter and antimatter are mutually attracted.

The earth's gravity well however is no place to conduct such an experiment if in fact they are mutually repelled; becaue the gravitational force applied by the earth will overwhelm any repulsive force between the particles consumed. What they are doing in effect is sticking an antimatter particle in a colossal cannon, (The earth's gravity well), then firing it down the length of a packed rush hour subway train, (Random matter particles), and seeing if everyone can duck out of the way. This is an experiment that should be conducted in space.

Given that matter and antimatter are produced in identical ammounts, and given that they are also anhilated in identical amounts they should exist in equal quantities. Mutual Repulsion, best explains the absence of antimatter, - One universe of matter, and one of antimatter, - Get it ?

Further, the concept of mutual repusion between matter and antimatter is supported by the fact that astronomers have detected antimatter in the vicinity of black holes. A black hole has extremely high energy density because energy cannot escape from its gravity well. Therefore the creation of matter and antimatter occurs on a huge scale in black holes. Most of the antimatter thus created is immediately anhilated, but the rate of creation is so high that because of REPULSION some antmatter escapes.

Re physical bodies being able to withstand the forces involved, I would point out that very high speed does more than just foreshorten time. It also causes mass to increase, and the object travelling to be dimensionally reduced in the direction travelled.

 

[Touma]

Seems you and Cotjones are "Hopeless Cases". To answer that part of your question that I did not answer : No I don't think the pyramids, or stonehenge were created by aliens. As for Nazca Lines, I am not familiar with them. As for intelligent life, I already posted one of my IQ sheets. IQ = 154, and that isn't the best I have ever done, just the best I still have a copy of.

IQ test doesn't mean you are right about this. I could care less about your testing scores.

I care about truth.


Truth of that matter is that aliens do not exist. No grays. No martians. No ewoks, klingons, or crystal skull inter-dimensional beings. Life might exist somewhere in the universe, but it likely isn't more advanced than mere bacterium.


Think about it like this. When people from the SAME PLANET, sharing the SAME DNA, met each other for the first time in thousands of years (1492), there was a massacre that swept over the Americas. It wasn't due to warfare. Wasn't due to some big bomb. It was due to tiny little microbes that evolved in a different part of the world. This caused at minimal several million people too, some estimate it in the tens or hundreds of millions.

That is from the same planet.


What kind of viruses or bacteria would some one from an entirely different galaxy have? How would our immune systems react to that? Wouldn't that have caused a mass outbreak on earth, affecting not only humans, but also animals and plants?


Where are the materials left behind? There are still things on the moon that we left behind. You can still find materials from conquistadores in the South West, from 500 years ago. You can find this and that from all over the place, even thousands of years after places disappeared. Where are the artifacts left by these ET?

And they left us only with some lame stories? They traveled billions of miles, and they leave us with some stories like giant fish, talking snakes, and doomsday horsemen? Couldn't they have told us the secrets of the cosmos? Told us about what is really like out there? Couldn't they have given us technology to make the world better? Give us knowledge beyond all compare?

Not only that, but they travel billions of light years with no issue, visiting all sorts of planets, and they crash in our atmosphere in 1947 Roswell? Seems a bit amateurish.

 

[JHM]

Read ALL of the "Fallen Angels Code" post that I made. It explans why we have so little contact with other beings.

 

[Touma]

Read ALL of the "Fallen Angels Code" post that I made. It explans why we have so little contact with other beings.

What, they hid the evidence on us? lol

It is sad that people put so much time into this alien/ufo garbage. They completely trash on human history and achievement.