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No, the function of the Angels who became the "Fallen Angels" was to guard this planet, and the beings on it from intrusion from elsewhere. Problem was one of the "Guards" became curious about what they were guarding, and decided to come down here. The "Fallen Angels Code" describes the arrival of a ship commanded by Jeqon, whom the Book Of Enoch describes as being the one who led astray the sons of God, (Angels), and brought them down to earth and led them astray through the daughters of men.

Problem with that was there was a second line of defense established to secure the isolation of this planet, and Jeqon's ship got shot down by that second line. -- It's all in the "Fallen Angels Code".
 
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It is an alphabetical / etymological code embedded in the old testament. If you take the words in the Old Testament and stack them in alphabetical order in Hebrew, which Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew Dictionary conveniently does for you, you will find parts of it read. I found the code while researching the term "Nephilim" who were the "Fallen Angels". You may find the part of the code that I cracked HERE :
View topic - The "Fallen Angels Code" : as decoded to date :: K6Plus :: For K6, Socket 7 users, and beyond!

I made three posts on the subject at that link. The first post gives the scriptural background. The second post gives an explanation of how the code works. The third post is the contents of the code. The Numbers on the left of the contents post are "Strong's Hebrew Dictionary Numbers"

Quite a coincidence that words stacked in alphabetical order would read like these do.
 
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It is an alphabetical / etymological code embedded in the old testament. If you take the words in the Old Testament and stack them in alphabetical order in Hebrew, which Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew Dictionary conveniently does for you, you will find parts of it read. I found the code while researching the term "Nephilim" who were the "Fallen Angels". You may find the part of the code that I cracked HERE :
View topic - The "Fallen Angels Code" : as decoded to date :: K6Plus :: For K6, Socket 7 users, and beyond!

I made three posts on the subject at that link. The first post gives the scriptural background. The second post gives an explanation of how the code works. The third post is the contents of the code. The Numbers on the left of the contents post are "Strong's Hebrew Dictionary Numbers"

Quite a coincidence that words stacked in alphabetical order would read like these do.

Ah, bible code...as deciphered by you...

Sorry but bible codes have been debunked time and again. Do you have most substantial proof than some code you came up with?
 
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I don't know the details of how GOD, and the Devil too for that matter, go about avoiding collisions with objects in space, but I do know that an antimatter powered ship would immensely increase the energy available. Further I also strongly suspect that "Scientists" are wrong when they say that matter and antimatter are mutually attractive. The experiment which they used to arrive at that conclusion, was to create an antimatter particle, then release it while watching for the energy of conversion. That experiment has been conducted many times; and conversion has always been the result. They therefore concluded that matter and antimatter are mutually attracted.

The earth's gravity well however is no place to conduct such an experiment if in fact they are mutually repelled; becaue the gravitational force applied by the earth will overwhelm any repulsive force between the particles consumed. What they are doing in effect is sticking an antimatter particle in a colossal cannon, (The earth's gravity well), then firing it down the length of a packed rush hour subway train, (Random matter particles), and seeing if everyone can duck out of the way. This is an experiment that should be conducted in space.

Given that matter and antimatter are produced in identical ammounts, and given that they are also anhilated in identical amounts they should exist in equal quantities. Mutual Repulsion, best explains the absence of antimatter, - One universe of matter, and one of antimatter, - Get it ?

Further, the concept of mutual repusion between matter and antimatter is supported by the fact that astronomers have detected antimatter in the vicinity of black holes. A black hole has extremely high energy density because energy cannot escape from its gravity well. Therefore the creation of matter and antimatter occurs on a huge scale in black holes. Most of the antimatter thus created is immediately anhilated, but the rate of creation is so high that because of REPULSION some antmatter escapes.

Re physical bodies being able to withstand the forces involved, I would point out that very high speed does more than just foreshorten time. It also causes mass to increase, and the object travelling to be dimensionally reduced in the direction travelled.

Your theory here doesn't make much sense.
You are doing it again, it almost seems like you look for things that aren't yet empirically proven just so you can formulate a belief that deviates from the most popular and supported belief.

All evidence suggests that antimatter is only opposite matter in charge, thus not in gravitational mass.

On an atomic scale, the annihilation of the two forms wouldn't be possible if there was a repulsive force between particles. Even in a glass of water, the water molecules are very far apart from each other. If antimatter had a repulsive effect on matter the two would be very difficult to combine.

You don't seem to understand the reason the two annihilate. It's because of charge conservation. Potential energy is stored in in the charge of a massive particle. When antimatter and matter combine they can reach a net charge of 0, allowing the majority of the composing particles to convert into mass-less particles such as photons. In doing so, a huge amount of energy is released.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that the two are opposite in gravitational mass. As far as we know, the concept of negative mass is fairy-tale. Again just people wanting to believe it because it could be a shortcut to a modern-day version of star wars.
 
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It is interesting that these UFO's always show up in billy bob's backyard and not in the parking lot of MIT.

We know human's will believe in crap just because no one can prove otherwise, particular if they benefit from the belief...

Do any of the biblical miracles fall into this category? Heck, even the resurrection might fall into this category. Are they "crap"? You can't prove otherwise.

Historic events are "untestable". You can't re-run the experiment.

There's really no point to my posting this, just ruminating. Nothing to see here. Carry on and God bless us, every one.
 
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The most popular and supported beliefs are usually wrong. And again you are misstating what I said. I never said that antimatter has "Negative Mass'. Rather it has opposite mass. That is to say matter attracts matter, and antimatter attracts antimatter, but matter and antimatter are mutually repulsive.
 
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Do any of the biblical miracles fall into this category? Heck, even the resurrection might fall into this category. Are they "crap"? You can't prove otherwise.

Historic events are "untestable". You can't re-run the experiment.

There's really no point to my posting this, just ruminating. Nothing to see here. Carry on and God bless us, every one.

The problem is that there really isn't a scale to this. Truthfully, you just said it! You described the reason MOST people are not Christian.

My personal stance is that I believe scientifically there is a God, since it's impossible for me to know for sure if the Bible or any other world religion describes him, I simply choose to believe the Bible. That doesn't mean that I believe I am justified in criticizing another's belief in a different religion because of my belief. In reality, can you honestly say that you have a better reason for believing in your version of religion that a Hindu, or Muslim?

Furthermore, how do you know? You can't.
Some Muslims have demonstrated the will to kill themselves and thousands other for their beliefs. I highly doubt that your belief in God is any stronger or unfaltering than their belief.

This is why I stress that non-empirical belief is fine as long as you don't allow it to restrict you from acting empirically. In fact, it's necessary to form a belief before testing an idea. The stipulation is that you are supposed to abandon that belief if it turns out to be false. There's nothing wrong with that.

We human's have a tendency to want to maintain our beliefs because we stake our ideas of the nature of the universe on them. Along the way we forget that no one really knows what the words of the Bible mean. We forget that most of our ideas about what the Bible mean come from the interpretation of a few select men. It's very common for these meanings to change with time. Faith healing peaked after WWII (when people needed that message.)

Science is NOT a religion. Ultimately, a Biologist doesn't want to disprove God's existence, he simply wants to know the truth. That's why almost everyone who devotes their life to the study of life believes Evolution is true, because it simply is too perfect of an explanation not to be true. Furthermore, all conjectures that contain the premise that evolution is true turn out to be true! The examples go ON AND ON. Here's one. A long time ago it was almost un-heard-of to have a hemophiliac female because of the way the gene works you have to have a man and woman with the hemophilia gene to have a female child with it and most hemophiliacs didn't survive to reproduce. Now, medicine makes it so that hemophiliacs can survive and the number of females with it are spiking. Natural selection would've eliminated that mutation eventually because it was negative.

Now lets look at sickle cell anemia. This is a mutation that in a hetero-zygote, makes you resistant to malaria. However, the Homozygous form is sickle cell. This allele remains present because if a carrier mates with a person without sickle cell, there's a 50/50 chance the child will be resistant to malaria. In a malaria ridden part of the world, this gene is a huge advantage. Eventually you will likely see a gene mutation sprout that makes the homozygous form asymptomatic as well. Possibly an inhibitor of some kind.

Life acts like a crap shoot, and because there are so many players, the ones who randomly gain advantage are the most successful.
 
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Right. Believing in the resurrection is not logical. As far as I can tell from scripture, it is not meant to be rational. The faith of children and all that...

Believing in fallen nephilim from space, or whatever the worthy OPer believes, isn't logical either.

My point is that throwing around the word "crap" for everything that is not scientifically verifiable is likely to rebound on some of our most sacred myths. That's all.

They are nor "crap". They might not be exactly "true", by enlightenment standards but they are not crap.
 
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The truth is evolution as it is currantly stated makes no sense at all. Long periods of stasis, with very little change, followed by mass die offs, followed by rapid bursts of evolution to fill the available niches. That is nonsense. Random mutations give that ?

The word is "currently". Spell check is your friend.

Your analysis is wildly over-simplified, but is in essence, correct. Yes, random mutations gave that.
 
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I believe an unbiased look at the evidence and reliable testimonies will prove the existence of flying ships with beings in them. I personally always laughed at anyone who mentioned ufos/aliens and wrote them off as quacks or someone desperate for attention. But after actually listening to those making these claims, I now believe 100%.

You'll also find a lot of very compelling theories that these things aren't aliens from another planet, but fallen angels who are here to deceive, manipulate, crossbreed, and often torture humans.

These 'things' always end up promoting a type of religion/spirituality, and it always makes Jesus Christ out to be simply a great man, spiritual teacher, ascended master, or even an alien.; never the Son of God who died for our sins.

If you're interested in proving or disproving it in your own mind, I'd suggest starting with a vid online called the Disclosure Project. They are NOT Christians and their conclusions as to the intent of these beings is very different than mine and that of most other Christians.

You may begin to see a vast array of agreement between the Word of God and what has been happening in the air above our heads. Chuck Missler also has a short series of teachings on this subject as well as many other Christian teachers.

God bless.


that disclosure video was really good, seen it a year ago, I to believe along the same lines as you, I know the father of lies is really good at decieving people, having some of his fallen comrades to take on the appearence of some extraterrestial beings with a godless story of how the world began and some free technology sounds right up his alley
 
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It is my conviction that clinging to willful ignorance, and worse yet being proud of such ignorance, is a poor way to witness. I see the hand of Satan, the author of lies, in this. In "creationism" Satan is stroking our pride and blinding us to the glory of creation.

Yes, I am a scientist. God laid out His creation for all to see. Unraveling the history of this glorious world is one of the ways I praise God. The more I learn, the more I worship. Demeaning people who use their God-given talents to understand the glory of creation is, in my humble opinion, sinful.

Peace.
 
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@Myshkin : Have you read this whole thread ? Have you also read my posts to the "Evolution ... Say it isn't so" thread ? All I have encountered from Scientists is relentless attacks, most of which ignore certain key items of information that I have posted. EG :

@ Cotjones : I suppose you think that the following :

Smoke went up from his nostrils,
and devouring fire from his mouth;
The Lord thundered from heaven. And the Most High uttered his voice.
Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Means that GOD stood there blowing smoke from his nose; and fire from his mouth; while making thundering sounds; huffing and puffing like "The Big Bad Wolf" in the story of "The Three Little Pigs" until the blast of the breath of his nostrils laid bare the seafloor.

Ah well, no law against being STUPID.
 
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This is the only Bible Code that I have ever heard of that runs over 16 pages long. You think that is phony, - cooked up ? Why don't you look at it first then decide. Stupidity is the norm.

It sounds sort of like when Joseph Smith found those Gold Tablets that only he could see or read. Why was this "code" only revealed now? why to you? Why not to the millions of more influential theologians through out the ages, like Aquinas, Calvin, Luther, Graham, etc?

The truth is evolution as it is currantly stated makes no sense at all. Long periods of stasis, with very little change, followed by mass die offs, followed by rapid bursts of evolution to fill the available niches. That is nonsense. Random mutations give that ?

How does it make no sense?


I am beginning to think that in order to qualify as a scientist you must have an IQ below 5.

Ah, can't prove your point against science, so you have to insult people. Mature. :)
 
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@ Cotjones : I suppose you think that the following :

Smoke went up from his nostrils,
and devouring fire from his mouth;
The Lord thundered from heaven. And the Most High uttered his voice.
Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Means that GOD stood there blowing smoke from his nose; and fire from his mouth; while making thundering sounds; huffing and puffing like "The Big Bad Wolf" in the story of "The Three Little Pigs" until the blast of the breath of his nostrils laid bare the seafloor.

Ah well, no law against being STUPID.

Of course, when you read the rest of the passage, it is a poem from David about God helping him to victory. Not meant to be taken literally. It is a poem. I can write a poem about the sun singing, doesn't mean that the sun actually sings.



For the rest of you, here is an exerpt from the "Fallen Angels Code" that I discovered while researching all aspects of the term "Nephilim"

Witness 11: (7400 - 7499) Male sequence in ascending order, the second member of the party of four shepherds describing what he saw.

7420 remach ; from an unused root meaning, to hurl; a lance (as thrown); especially, the iron point: – buckler, javelin, lancet, spear.

7426 raman ; a primitive root; to rise (literally or figuratively): – exalt, get [oneself] up, lift up (self), mount up.

7427 romemuth ; from the active participle of 7426; exaltation: – lifting up of self. rimmon. See 7416.

7430 ramas ; a primitive root; properly, to glide swiftly, i.e. to crawl or move with short steps; by anology, to swarm: – creep, move.

7431 remes ; from 7430; areptile or any other rapidly moving animal : – that creepeth, creeping (moving) thing.

7432 Remeth ; from 7411; height; Remeth, a place in Palestine: – Remeth.

Note : This witness uses an unused root meaning "the iron point of a lance" to describe what he saw "lifting itself up", and he repeats "lifting self up", as if to emphasize how extraordinary that is, then goes on to say it was "gliding swiftly" - "a rapidly moving thing". (at) "height". Note again the usage of an "unused root" to describe what the witness reports having seen. This time it is the "iron point of a lance" Something that looks both like "a candlestick" and "the iron point of a lance", which in fact is neither; but rather something else, so rarely seen that the words coined to describe it fell into disuse.

Note: "The Fallen Angels Code" is an alphabetical etymological code embedded within the Old Testament. The part I have cracked runs 16 pages long and I have only cracked part of it. It is a description of the initial arrival of the "Fallen Angels" on earth as recounted by at least 14 eyewittnesses who were amoung the survivors of those enslaved by the "Fallen Angels" to repair their shot down spaceship.

Those interested may find it posted HERE :

View topic - The "Fallen Angels Code" : as decoded to date :: K6Plus :: For K6, Socket 7 users, and beyond!


Of course you had to cherry pick certain parts of the definitions of the words to make your code work. Note very mysterious and code-y
 
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Well lets see : 1) Because in the days of most of the people you named, spaceships did not exist, so they would not have recognized what they were seeing.

2) Why to me ? Because I first discovered the "Nicolaitans" code, (That one is an etymological code which you can check out in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance), and when I encountered the word "Nephilim" in the Jerusalem Bible I researched it looking for a code.

3) Evolution makes no sense whatsoever. If we are to believe this crackpot theory God did not create man; we "Evolved" from apes. Degeneracy does take place, yes. e.g. Both neanderthal man and cro magnon man had 10% larger brains than modern man. Further in "Random Mutations" degeneracy is the norm.

Therefore to suggest that all living plant and animal life "Evolved" from some basic item like an amoeba is nonsense. If degeneracy is the norm, how do you account for so much upward "Evolution" ? Bear in mind that the whole concept is contrary to the story of Creation in Genesis.

"Long periods of stasis with very little change" would accurately correspond to REAL evolution; - i.e. minor variations brought about by random mutations.

But the "Mass dieoffs" I believe would be the result of GOD returning and pruning his garden, - i.e. getting rid of those species that had fullfilled their purpose; while "Rapid bursts of evolution to fill the available niches" would correspond to the next day of "Creation".

Since I believe that GOD uses a spaceship to get around, Einstein's theory of relativity would nicely explain the long gaps between the various days of "Creation" They were consecutive days of GODS time; but because he was traveling very fast his time was much shorter than the time experienced on earth.

The fact that cockroaches and humans apparantly share some genetic features is meaningless. If you were GOD and faced with designing a wide variety of life forms, would you not simplfy the task by using some basic elements over and over again ?
 
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