Source: Most service members surveyed don't care about DADT repeal

[Jase]

Keeping homosexuals out of the military is good thing. .

Aside from homophobia, why? Every NATO military except us allows them. What possible logical reason could you have to ban all gays from the military?

 

[blueapplepaste]

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THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT

THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS. 85% OF COMBAT MARINES DISTRUST, 71% WON’T SHARE SHOWERS, 24% WON’T RE-ENLIST.

HALF MILLION TROOPS, ONE IN FOUR, WOULD LEAVE THE MILITARY


Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt just read the full Pentagon report on repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and here's his analysis:

"Don't believe the phony liberal media reports that 70% of troops support open homosexual service, because that statistic included 'mixed' feelings. A closer reading of the fine print in the newly released Pentagon survey shows our troops answered as follows:

THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT

He selectively quotes certain questions, yet ignores the rest. Plus, should I believe the Pentagon and military leaders about what is best for the military, or some radical chaplain? Methinks I'll listen to the Pentagon and the military for what is best for the military.

 

[kermit]

Actually, the whole survey is skewed and flawed based on the fact that it was only voluntary and not mandatory to partake in the survey.

Meaning those that identify themselves first and foremost by thier sexuality agenda types, would have a skewed advantage to the results.

However, we are ignoring the basic questions.

Q45. If you had a leader whom you believed was gay or lesbian…9% positive, 91% negative or mixed impact on unit's performance.


Q68c. 85% of Marine Combat Arms, 75% of Army Combat Arms, 64% overall say Negative, Very Negative, or Mixed impact on unit trust if DADT is repealed.


Q90. 29% would take no action if assigned open showers with homosexuals. 71% would shower at other times, complain to leadership or chaplains, don't know or do "something else" [including violence].


Q81. 24% will leave the military or think about leaving sooner than planned. (One half million troops will QUIT the service early, destroying our national security.)

Q66. If open homosexuality impacts combat performance, is the impact...9% positive, 91% negative or mixed impact.



DADT was the best compromised solution to this problem.
All that can result from it's repeal is destruction from within.

We need to get away from the idea that people need to be identifying themself by thier percieved normal or abnormal "private" sexual behavior, to begin with.

I'm trying to understand how you are referring to numbered questions when the questions in the survey are not numbered.

 

[Ezio Auditore di Firenze]

This is Herbie Headly, a man who believes that Obama fooled every government intelligence agency on the planet. In my short time here, he's made, what, three threads about Obama? The man's obsessed.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

I'm trying to understand how you are referring to numbered questions when the questions in the survey are not numbered.

Well, you count the number of questions and number them, quite simple.


Not only was this survey skewed by not being mandatory, but only voluntary, but all the responses were anonymous.

This survey isn't even serious.

It's such a shame.

 

[Belk]

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Yes, we can see how well that is playing out in our military policy of kicking out people because some consider them to be "sinners".

 

[Gishin]

Well, you count the number of questions and number them, quite simple.


Not only was this survey skewed by not being mandatory, but only voluntary, but all the responses were anonymous.

This survey isn't even serious.

It's such a shame.

It wasn't mandatory because it didn't need to be. What difference does it make?

Also, it was anonymous in order to let gay servicemembers answer questions without fear of reprisal. Do you have a problem with that?

According to the polls... 75% of the military has no issue with gays in the military. Anywhere else that would be an overwhelming majority, yet you tend to think that's a small number. How big does it have to be before you concede?

 

[blueapplepaste]

Not only was this survey skewed by not being mandatory, but only voluntary, but all the responses were anonymous.

This survey isn't even serious.

It's such a shame.

Well by your argument, then since it was voluntary, if soooooooo many in the military are against gays serving, one would think they would have jumped at the chance to influence whether or not they had to serve with gays, no?

Or are you suggesting that there are sooooooo many gays that they were able to skew the results such that it appears that 70% of the military has no problem with gays serving openly?

Or the more likely option, some members partook, some didn't. The overwhelming majority said that gays don't bother them. Your attempts to discredit this study are working about as well as your attempts to discredit Obama's citizenship status. AKA, epic fail.

And why shouldn't the responses be anonymous? It's dumb to suggest that they wouldn't be anonymous.

Sorry, Herbie, yet again reality is not on your side.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

Obama calls you up to make fun of you? Neat.

Or are you refering to me? I don't hate you. Just what you believe in. Hate the sin, not the sinner, right?

Obama doesn't call me up personally, he calls his puppy press and makes fun of me/us. He has done more to divide this nation in his term and even before in the run for Pres--ent.

Fundies torture gay kids is your position.

Obama just doesn't want people punished with kids at all.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

70% of the military has no problem with gays serving openly?

I'm still trying to figure out how one gets this statement from the survey of only voluntary submissions.
Especially, in light of the answers I highlighted in a previous post.

 

[Ezio Auditore di Firenze]

Have you heard the level of tolerance and love from the aethist crowd lately? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

It's "atheist", spelling is important, pilgrim. And honestly, every atheist I've met has been far more accepting of other cultures, sexualities, and religions.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

And as far as homophobia

": irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals"

Homophobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Define irrational fear.

However, I have a very healthy aversion and discrimination towards homosexuality or homosexuals.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

It's "atheist", spelling is important, pilgrim. And honestly, every atheist I've met has been far more accepting of other cultures, sexualities, and religions.

It's the "i" before "e" thingy.
Everyone does that once in a while.

 

[SOAD]

Homophobic as a word, is such a false descriptor born from ultra-liberal attitudes and the gay rights agenda. A lot of straight people just don't like or agree with homosexuality and God doesn't like it either. The attitude is not a "fear" of homosexuality or homosexuals. It's a dislike of the activities. As far as all these generals being open to it, they are preaching the party line. If a republican who was against DADT they'd be singing that song. God bless.

When will they start kicking out soldiers who are drunk? Fits of rage? selfish ambitions? Hatred? Impurity?

Gotta love it when the sin is cherry-picked.



Galatians 5:19-21 (King James Version)
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Belk]

Define irrational fear.

However, I have a very healthy aversion and discrimination towards homosexuality or homosexuals.

Irrational | Define Irrational at Dictionary.com

If you have no logical basis for your aversion to homosexuality it would, by definition, be irrational. There will be, of course, a large amount of disagreement on what is logical. Personaly I don't think "I believe my God disproves of homosexuality" to be rational. Quite obviously others disagree.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

When will they start kicking out soldiers who are drunk? Fits of rage? selfish ambitions? Hatred? Impurity?

Gotta love it when the sin is cherry-picked.

If the soldiers who are drunk, or suffer fits of rage, or thier selfish ambitions, hatred, or Impurity, cause disruption of cohesiveness due to these beliefs or behaviors, yes they will be kicked out.

 

[Ezio Auditore di Firenze]

And being gay is disruptive how? Becuase of hatefilled yokels in the military to scared of the big bad gays?

 

[blueapplepaste]

I'm still trying to figure out how one gets this statement from the survey of only voluntary submissions.
Especially, in light of the answers I highlighted in a previous post.

As I alluded to, how does it being voluntary discredit it?

As I said in my other post, if so many in the military are against gays serving, you would think they'd all be volunteering to take the survey to ensure that it showed that so many don't want gays to openly serve. Yet that didn't happen, did it?

 

[SOAD]

If the soldiers who are drunk, or suffer fits of rage, or thier selfish ambitions, hatred, or Impurity, cause disruption of cohesiveness due to these beliefs or behaviors, yes they will be kicked out.

So soldiers who hate gays should be kicked out along with the gays?

Soldiers never drink.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

As I alluded to, how does it being voluntary discredit it?

By it being voluntary only, invites those who only have "skin in the game", to have a reason to reply.
Like those who may be homosexual and those who have been offended by the homosexuals. Anyone else would have had to set aside more important duties to take the time for this "voluntary" survey.

As I said in my other post, if so many in the military are against gays serving, you would think they'd all be volunteering to take the survey to ensure that it showed that so many don't want gays to openly serve. Yet that didn't happen, did it.

It seems the answers to the questions I posted, state otherwise.