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Featured Sorcery?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by W2L, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. MonstersvsMartyrs

    MonstersvsMartyrs Member

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    What do you think the preachers need to be doing?
     
  2. WonderingStranger

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    Pharmakae it was magic mushrooms, a sorcerer is one who uses hallucinogens to activate the spirit realm.
     
  3. Anguspure

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    Water skin is interesting imagery. Puts one in mind of Aladins Genie in the lamp.
    [​IMG]
     
  4. Anguspure

    Anguspure Kaitiaki Peacemakers NZ Supporter

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    Drug use is commonly recognised by junkies as a gateway to the spiritual.
     
  5. tturt

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    true Some reports show the same areas of the brain are activated whether it's G_dly or ungodly source.
     
  6. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    The good ones ? The true ones? Keep on preaching !

    The others ?
    Quit. "Cease" . Stop sinning. Same as anyone else seeking Life.
    Retire. ? Maybe.....
    Certainly
    Stop spreading lies and false gospels.
    Stop serving sorcery/ pharmacy/ the world government.
    i.e. turn to YHWH (repent) to serve Him by grace in Jesus the Messiah Savior King.
     
  7. MonstersvsMartyrs

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    So all medicine is sorcery?
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Why would you ever say that ? ! ?
     
  9. MonstersvsMartyrs

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    Because it seemed to be what you were suggesting. What did you mean?
     
  10. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    ? quote me please. thanks.
     
  11. tturt

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    On post #45, all those Scriptures are considered black magic by somebody?
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I just went and looked quickly through the post 45.
    Some/ many of the verses expose evil.
    All of the verses are TRUTH.

    Is there some kind of evil or black magic there's a question about ?
     
  13. tturt

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    Yes, they're the truth. But don't see why these Scriptures are considered black magic. Yes, some are about miracles - Godly miracles.

    Psalm 77:14
    You art the God who works wonders; thou have made known thy might among the peoples.

    Isaiah 11:2-3
    And the Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. He will delight in obeying the Lord. He will not judge by appearance nor make a decision based on hearsay.

    Ezekiel 1:1-20:49
    In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. On the fifth day of the month (it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin), the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the Chebar canal, and the hand of the Lord was upon him there. As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,

    Ezekiel 13:1-23
    The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who art prophesying, and say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’ Thus says the Lord God, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! thy prophets have been like jackals among ruins, O Israel. thou have not gone up into the breaches, or built up a wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in battle in the day of the Lord. ...

    Daniel 3:28
    Nebuchadnezzar answered and said, “Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent his angel and delivered his servants, who trusted in him, and set aside the king's command, and yielded up their bodies rather than serve and worship any god except their own God.

    All NT Scripture listed except Acts 16:16, Gal 5:19-20; and the Rev Scriptures
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I think the Scriptures that say anything about magic, any kind not of YHWH,
    are simply exposing and rebuking it. i.e. revealing / exposing those who practice it, and warning not to have any part in it.
     
  15. MonstersvsMartyrs

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    No, you're misreading it. That post was about black magic and contrasting it with miracles, its opposite. The verses listed are verses about both black magic and miracles.
     
  16. MonstersvsMartyrs

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    You seem to equate sorcery with pharmacy and the government, and this is where I get the idea that you think medicine is the same as sorcery.

    BTW:
    Romans 13
    Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
     
  17. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    No problem. (BIGGG PROBLEM)....
    It is written that pharmakeia deceives the whole world .
    That has already happened, and continues today, until Jesus returns.

    There are still honest doctors out there, doing what is right and good.
    It is not written that honest doctors deceive anyone.

    pharmakeia IN SCRIPTURE is never translated what it is, in english, as far as I know.
    Instead, it IS TRANSLATED: witchcraft and sorcery (about 7 times).
     
  18. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    btw,
    fwiw,
    this is what the nazi criminals from the death camps tried to use as their defense.
    "They just did what they were ordered to do"..........
     
  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    Reve 9:21 uses that word [shown at bottom of post].
    Maybe the Pharisees were on ehehee

    I found this interesting while studying on the word "Pharisee" in the NT.

    Notice how Pharaoh used "sorcerers" to perform magic against Moses' divine powers:

    Exodus 7:11
    Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers.
    They also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same thing with their enchantments.

    Romans 9:17
    For the Scripture says to Pharaoh/Pharaó <5328> "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you,.........

    The word used for "Pharisee" in the NT is quite similar to the word used for "pharaoh" and "sorcerery". It appears that God raised up the Pharisees to humble the Jews and Apostles:

    Jer 8:17
    “For behold, I will send serpents among you,
    Vipers which cannot be charmed,
    And they shall bite you,” says the LORD.

    Look at Mat 23:2 and Reve 9:21:

    Mat 23:
    2“ The scribes and Pharisees/farisaioi <5330> sit in Moses’ seat.…
    33 “Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of gehenna?

    5330. Pharisaios of Hebrew origin (compare 6567); a separatist, i.e. exclusively religious; a Pharisean,
    2447. ios ee-os' ; rust (as if emitted by metals); also venom (as emitted by serpents):--poison, rust. AV - poison 2, rust 1; 3

    Revelation 9:21
    Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries/farmakeiwn <5331>, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

    5331.
    pharmakeia from 5332; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):--sorcery, witchcraft.
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  20. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    According to this site, it seems there was a lot of plants that can produce euphoria and hallucinations and was perhaps used by the OT people in the wilderness.

    They show quite a few example, but I thought the mana was interesting:

    Psychoactive Plants in the Bible

    Christianity was founded on the use of religious plants of psychoactive effects. The use of these drugs on religious experiences made Christianity so viral.............

    Manna was a holy food that was white and brown, circle shaped, and would appear in the morning dew. The Israelites would live off it when traveling from village to village. Once they got near a village, it would disappear..........

    One study showed that mushrooms were considered by the users as one of their top 5 most spiritually significant events of their lives.[19] These mushrooms grow naturally in Israel. If the Israelites were living off bread made of magic mushrooms, they would eventually stop having hallucinations and it would serve as purely food.

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