Something Hard Not to Notice

[Tzaousios]

What in the world did they read to make them think that EO was the right way to go from being Baptist???

Mr. Ryan, you are not hiding things very well.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

You can find liberty in Christ through praying with others. The lord wants us to be pray with each other, to worship with each other.

At a liturgical church, we sing together, pray together and worship together. We listen to scripture together, we meditate together. The pastor is our spiritual guide, his homilies are in line with the apostolic teachings of the Church. Come and join us. Come and see.

If nothing else, visiting our Churches would make you a better apologist for your own belief in Christ.

I dont doubt that you have fellowship, however lets consider liberty and fullness. Come join me, come and see.

 

[GoingByzantine]

I dont doubt that you have fellowship, however lets consider liberty and fullness. Come join me, come and see.

Tell me brother, where does the bible speak of individuals worshiping alone as being pleasing to God? Where does Jesus say he wants us each to be on our own, "liberated"?

 

[Mary of Bethany]

I'm another adult convert from the SBC to Orthodoxy, although it took about 15 years from the time I first started feeling that the way we were worshipping was greatly lacking "something". Once I realized it was Sacraments, I knew I was no longer Baptist. From there I went to an Anglican Church for about 10 years but basically read my way into Orthodoxy. No one invited me, and I didn't know a soul, but I knew that's where I needed to be. No one else in my family has joined me, but there I will stay. I can't leave what I believe to be the Truth.

Mary

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Tell me brother, where does the bible speak of individuals worshiping alone as being pleasing to God? Where does Jesus say he wants us each to be on our own, "liberated"?

I didn't instead it to be seen that way. All things work for our good, and nothing can separate us from Gods love through Christ (Romans 8), so if we were incarcerated (for example) and we were separated from Church then we could still have fullness in Christ because our fellowship is with God the Father and His son, Jesus Christ. (1 John 1:3)

Having said that, i'm suggesting that i may have things that prevent me from going to Church, but surely my faith is in God, John was exiled at Patmos, and throughout history saints have been separated from the Church. I am strong in faith which sustains me, praise the Lord for not leaving nor forsaking me. Amen.

But my question to you is this- Why do you need a teacher? Isn't the Word enough as John teaches us? Why do you need an apostle? Isn't the apostles that Christ sent, who wrote the NT enough? And why would anyone need a Pope? Isn't the Word enough? Are we not sons of God? Are we not the temple of the Spirit? Isn't Christ Himself our teacher? Isn't this true fullness? Can anything separate us from Christ (Romans 8)? Surely not.

Faith in Gods promises given through Christ is what i'm talking about. Faith in John chapter 14, 1 John chapter 2 and Mathew 5-7, faith in Philippians 4, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 1 Peter 2:9, Mathew 23:8-10, and last but not least faith in 2 Corinthians 3:17




1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


He dwells in us, He is the teacher, we need no Apostle or Pope, just the Word.


Mathew 23:8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
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[Targaryen]

I didn't instead it to be seen that way. All things work for our good, and nothing can separate us from Gods love through Christ (Romans 8), so if we were incarcerated (for example) and we were separated from Church then we could still have fullness in Christ because our fellowship is with God the Father and His son, Jesus Christ. (1 John 1:3)

Having said that, i'm suggesting that i may have things that prevent me from going to Church, but surely my faith is in God, John was exiled at Patmos, and throughout history saints have been separated from the Church. I am strong in faith which sustains me, praise the Lord for not leaving nor forsaking me. Amen.

But my question to you is this- Why do you need a teacher? Isn't the Word enough as John teaches us? Why do you need an apostle? Isn't the apostles that Christ sent, who wrote the NT enough? And why would anyone need a Pope? Isn't the Word enough? Are we not sons of God? Are we not the temple of the Spirit? Isn't Christ Himself our teacher? Isn't this true fullness? Can anything separate us from Christ (Romans 8)? Surely not.

Faith in Gods promises given through Christ is what i'm talking about. Faith in John chapter 14, 1 John chapter 2 and Mathew 5-7, faith in Philippians 4, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 1 Peter 2:9, Mathew 23:8-10, and last but not least faith in 2 Corinthians 3:17




1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


He dwells in us, He is the teacher, we need no Apostle or Pope, just the Word.


Mathew 23:8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
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Avoidance of the question asked, not surprisng.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Avoidance of the question asked, not surprisng.

Please stop with that tired old argument, you only see what you want to see.

 

[seashale76]

Firstly, just having the scriptures at your disposal doesn't necessarily mean squat. For example, we see this in Acts 8 where the Ethiopian Eunuch needed someone to explain to him what it was he was reading. People need the faith explained to them and need to be instructed.

Acts 8:26-31

26 Now an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying, “Arise and go toward the south along the road which goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is desert. 27 So he arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasury, and had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 was returning. And sitting in his chariot, he was reading Isaiah the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go near and overtake this chariot.”

30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

Additionally, we are told to gather with other believers, and one can't partake of the sacraments without doing so either.

Anyone who comes along instructing others that all they need is the bible is peddling falsehoods.

 

[Tzaousios]

Please stop with that tired old argument, you only see what you want to see.

Starting threads, making criticisms of people's views, and then refusing to address their replies under the pretense of "not wanting to debate" is generally considered to be disingenuous practice. What exactly do you claim to be doing in a part of CF where theology is discussed and debated?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Firstly, just having the scriptures at your disposal doesn't necessarily mean squat. For example, we see this in Acts 8 where the Ethiopian Eunuch needed someone to explain to him what it was he was reading. People need the faith explained to them and need to be instructed.

Acts 8:26-31


Additionally, we are told to gather with other believers, and one can't partake of the sacraments without doing so either.

Anyone who comes along instructing others that all they need is the bible is peddling falsehoods.

Im sorry that you see my faith in that light. I would suggest that a man in prison having only a bible and a contrite heart would indeed find the Lord, despite not having those things you mention. Amen, Praise the Lord, surely He never leaves nor forsakes us. He seeks after lost sheep and none are forsaken. I dont limit Gods Word or faith in Him.

Im also glad that i don't go to Church, although the fellowship would be nice, at least i have found the truth about ABIDING in Christ. I must be blessed.


1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Psalm 23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.



Mathew 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Oh! the peace which Jehovah gives to his people, even in the midst of the most trying circumstances!

Psalm 23:5 Commentary - The Treasury of David

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Starting threads, making criticisms of people's views, and then refusing to address their replies under the pretense of "not wanting to debate" is generally considered to be disingenuous practice. What exactly do you claim to be doing in a part of CF where theology is discussed and debated?

Just because i dont want to debate with you doesnt mean i reject a healthy and edifying debate.

 

[Tzaousios]

Just because i dont want to debate with you doesnt mean i reject a healthy and edifying debate.

It is not just "with me." As ViaCrucis mentioned earlier in your other thread, it is very plain who you are choosing to reply to and who you are skipping over in the hopes that they will not hold you accountable for your claims. You are not having any debate at all, but reinforcement and justification for what you already believe.

 

[Targaryen]

Just because i dont want to debate with you doesnt mean i reject a healthy and edifying debate.

Code for, I want my views validated, even if I refuse to do research on what I comment on.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

It is not just "with me." As ViaCrucis mentioned earlier in your other thread, it is very plain who you are choosing to reply to and who you are skipping over in the hopes that they will not hold you accountable for your claims. You are not having any debate at all, but reinforcement and justification for what you already believe.

Code for, I want my views validated, even if I refuse to do research on what I comment on.

Please, get over it. Surely your life doesn't revolve around me.

 

[Tzaousios]

Please, get over it. Surely your life doesn't revolve around me.

What is that supposed to mean? You are one of many that I discuss things with at CF.

 

[Targaryen]

Please, get over it. Surely your life doesn't revolve around me.

LOL....no but when you post here, your views are open to criticism if it fits.

 

[GoingByzantine]

I didn't instead it to be seen that way. All things work for our good, and nothing can separate us from Gods love through Christ (Romans 8), so if we were incarcerated (for example) and we were separated from Church then we could still have fullness in Christ because our fellowship is with God the Father and His son, Jesus Christ. (1 John 1:3)

Having said that, i'm suggesting that i may have things that prevent me from going to Church, but surely my faith is in God, John was exiled at Patmos, and throughout history saints have been separated from the Church. I am strong in faith which sustains me, praise the Lord for not leaving nor forsaking me. Amen.

But my question to you is this- Why do you need a teacher? Isn't the Word enough as John teaches us? Why do you need an apostle? Isn't the apostles that Christ sent, who wrote the NT enough? And why would anyone need a Pope? Isn't the Word enough? Are we not sons of God? Are we not the temple of the Spirit? Isn't Christ Himself our teacher? Isn't this true fullness? Can anything separate us from Christ (Romans 8)? Surely not.

Faith in Gods promises given through Christ is what i'm talking about. Faith in John chapter 14, 1 John chapter 2 and Mathew 5-7, faith in Philippians 4, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 1 Peter 2:9, Mathew 23:8-10, and last but not least faith in 2 Corinthians 3:17

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


He dwells in us, He is the teacher, we need no Apostle or Pope, just the Word.


Mathew 23:8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
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Why does one need a teacher? Well to stop heresy from corrupting the teachings of Christ. There is a reason that Christ entrusted his Apostles with the care of his church, because he knew they would not waver in the true orthodox faith. When gnostics threatened the Christianity, the true teachings of Christ survived due to the intervention of the Apostolic Church.

Look at what Paul says in Titus 1:5

For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you.

Paul set a bishop up in Crete to continue the true faith of Christ, he also gave him instructions to avoid heresy and dissent.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Why does one need a teacher? Well to stop heresy from corrupting the teachings of Christ. There is a reason that Christ entrusted his Apostles with the care of his church, because he knew they would not waver in the true orthodox faith. When gnostics threatened the Christianity, the true teachings of Christ survived due to the intervention of the Apostolic Church.

Look at what Paul says in Titus 1:5

For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you.

Paul set a bishop up in Crete to continue the true faith of Christ, he also gave him instructions to avoid heresy and dissent.

Yes, Paul set things in order, but not the RC/EO or Anglican. I followed Pauls doctrine and i am doing well.

 

[GoingByzantine]

Yes, Paul set things in order, but not the RC/EO or Anglican. I followed Pauls doctrine and i am doing well.

Brother, Christ is in the Church.

Without the Church you would not have the Bible, it was the Apostolic Successors who put things together.