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[keras]

I just believe they mean something different than you do.
And I've spelled out exactly what I believe they mean.

The formula of one day in heaven being equal to 1000 earth years is a plain statement. Why water it down by thinking time is meaningless to God?

But, setting that aside for now and applying your calculations, am I correct to understand that you believe this verse is saying there will be silence in heaven for 20.84 earth years (since according to you, 1/2 hour in heaven = 20.84 earth years)?

Once again you manage to twist what scripture and I say; The silence in heaven will be for 'about a half hour'. And the time on earth from the Seventh Seal until Jesus Returns will be 'about 20 years'.

Luke 31:32 does not exist.

Sorry, typo; Luke 21:34-35 Be alert.....so that the great Day, [referred to in Luke 21:25-26] doesn't catch you unawares, for that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

My denials are of YOUR INTERPRETATION of the Prophetic Word.

I just point out what the Prophetic Word actually says. The time period calculation is merely using the formula as given in the Bible. Two witness give it and I applied it.

 

[Biblewriter]

The formula of one day in heaven being equal to 1000 earth years is a plain statement. Why water it down by thinking time is meaningless to God?

Why do you want to water down the associated statement that one day is as a thousand years? The use of these two statements together makes the overall meaning exceedingly clear. Time is meaningless to God

 

[keras]

Why do you want to water down the associated statement that one day is as a thousand years? The use of these two statements together makes the overall meaning exceedingly clear. Time is meaningless to God

Peter is not confusing us by making two opposing statements. He is reiterating Psalms 90:4, where this formula is originally told to us and reinforced there by like a watch in the night, confirming that what is a long time to us on earth, is a very short time to God in heaven.

 

[parousia70]

confirming that what is a long time to us on earth, is a very short time to God in heaven.

God doesn't have "Short time".

All eternity, past and future are before Him in the moment. He has immediate complete full unfettered access to any point, past present and future, in the linear time continuum at will.

He doesn't have to wait even a nano second for 1000 years to pass Keras.

That is the truth scripture teaches.
To insist God is bound by carnal time is untenable.

 

[keras]

God doesn't have "Short time".

All eternity, past and future are before Him in the moment. He has immediate complete full unfettered access to any point, past present and future, in the linear time continuum at will.

He doesn't have to wait even a nano second for 1000 years to pass Keras.

That is the truth scripture teaches.
To insist God is bound by carnal time is untenable.

But because we humans are bound by time, then for prophecy to relate to us, time has to be a factor.
Bible prophecy is all about God's Creation, which He has made subject to a fixed time schedule of 7000 years. At the end of it all, He will have gained a people who have freely chosen Him and they will receive Eternal life.

 

[Biblewriter]

Peter is not confusing us by making two opposing statements. He is reiterating Psalms 90:4, where this formula is originally told to us and reinforced there by like a watch in the night, confirming that what is a long time to us on earth, is a very short time to God in heaven.

You are right that Peter did not make two opposing statements. He re-stated the truth of the first statement in the second statement. While one day is like a thousand years to God, a thousand years is also like one day. It is the second part of this couplet that you are ignoring.

You are also ignoring the truth in Psalm 90:4, which is also a couplet stating the same thing, that "a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night."

Both of these couplets, when taken together, very clearly teach that time is meaningless to God.

He states this in three ways.

To God:

A thousand years is like a day.
A thousand years is like a watch in the night.
A day is like a thousand years.

There is no way around this inescapable conclusion.

 

[parousia70]

But because we humans are bound by time, then for prophecy to relate to us, time has to be a factor.

Agreed!
Which is why prophesies ordained by to to happen "shortly, soon, near, about to take place, without delay, in a very little while, at the doors, etc, etc must be taken by How those terms relate to humans reckoning of time, not How they relate to God's reckoning of time.
Jesus Himself confirms this in Matthew 24:33.

Bible prophecy is all about God's Creation, which He has made subject to a fixed time schedule of 7000 years.

“Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments; (Deuteronomy 7:9)

Are you claiming now that a Biblical generation is 7 years?

Holy Scripture teaches that the world will exist forever (Ecc 1:4; Ps 78:69; 89:36-37; 104:5; 148:4-6; Eph 3:21) and that human generations are perpetual (Ps 145:13; Dan 4:3,34; Dan 7:14,18,27; Lk 1:33)

At the end of it all, He will have gained a people who have freely chosen Him and they will receive Eternal life.

He has gained, is gaining and will continue to gain those people.

 

[Biblewriter]

Actually, keras has accomplished something never before accomplished in all of Christian forums. He has managed to get parousia70 and Biblewriter to agree on something!

 

[keras]

You are right that Peter did not make two opposing statements. He re-stated the truth of the first statement in the second statement. While one day is like a thousand years to God, a thousand years is also like one day. It is the second part of this couplet that you are ignoring.

You are also ignoring the truth in Psalm 90:4, which is also a couplet stating the same thing, that "a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night."
Both of these couplets, when taken together, very clearly teach that time is meaningless to God.

He states this in three ways.
To God:
A thousand years is like a day.
A thousand years is like a watch in the night.
A day is like a thousand years.

There is no way around this inescapable conclusion.

Basically, your 'inescapable conclusion' is that Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 are meaningless and of no value to us to assist in understanding any other references to the timing of God's plans for His Creation. I totally disagree and we will soon see the final 'Day', as Jesus reigns on earth for the next and final 1000 years.

 

[Biblewriter]

Basically, your 'inescapable conclusion' is that Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 are meaningless and of no value to us to assist in understanding any other references to the timing of God's plans for His Creation. I totally disagree and we will soon see the final 'Day', as Jesus reigns on earth for the next and final 1000 years.

Rather, I am stating and clearly stating, that both of these passages teach a concept entirely different from what you imagine they teach. When used as God stated them, they are extremely meaningful. But they are of zero in attempting to determine "the timing of God's plans for His Creation," because that is not what they are about.