Something coming from nothing? Evolution vs. Creation

[Michael]

Yeah, unconditional hate is actually quite easy to stick to. As someone who was abused bad as a kid, I unconditionally hated the ones who hurt me, until I found God and realized that I had to forgive in order to move forward with my own life.

I'm sorry you were abused. I'm glad you found Christ and forgiveness. The prisoner you set free (from the bondage of hate) was yourself. Congrats

My brother is an Athiest, and still has unconditional hate for the people who did such horrible things to him.

I can understand his pain (maybe not exactly since I wasn't abused), but in my experience forgiveness is definitely a better path, theist or atheist.

Unconditional hate, is just as much a part of our lives as unconditional love, if not more.

Nah. Unconditional hate didn't create you and me. It doesn't sustain us either. It's just a self righteous anger we can hang onto, or let go of. It's not a disembodied spirit of any sort.

Also, the opposite of God, The Creator, The Truth, The Perfection, is Satan, The Destroyer, The Lie, The Confusion!

The term "satan" derives from the root term 'adversary', and IMO it refers to nothing more than selfish human ego. It's akin to blasphemy IMO to attempt to uplift simple human selfishness to the level of 'creator'. There is nothing 'opposing' God IMO other than perhaps simple human ego which does in fact 'seem' to have the ability to separate us from God. In reality however that is but an illusion of our own mind since we could no more exist in the absence of God than a fish could thrive in the absence of all water molecules.

 

[Loudmouth]

Also, back to the anti gravity, in theory, again anti gravity is absolutely possible. For example, if you were at the very core of the earth, there would be no gravity.

That is wrong. At the center of the Earth you are experiencing the same gravitational pull from all directions. As you move below the surface of the Earth you will find that objects weigh less and less as you move towards the center of the Earth. This is due to the fact that you have more and more Earth above you pulling on the object.

 

[hzcummi]

Young Earth Creationists are foolish, and refuse to learn the truth of Genesis. They run for cover,
or misquote the scriptures when asked these questions:

1) Where did the water come from on the first day?
1a) Why didn't God say "Let there be a body of water?

2) Why were the birds created on the fifth day before mankind in chapter one,
and created after mankind on the sixth day in chapter two?
2a) In Genesis 2:18, Gods says that Adam was alone, so
the "had formed" alibi won't work.

3) Why is it that the land animals are created before mankind in chapter one,
and after Adam in chapter two?
3a) No matter how much "focus" you put on history, the sequence
of events do not ever change, unless there is an error.

4) Why is it that male and female are created together in chapter one, and the
animals are made between them in chapter two?
4a) Same as 3a


Instead of accepting and teaching the truth (the Observations of Moses) which answers
these questions, they would rather teach false doctrine and misrepresent the Bible,
causing more harm than good.
There was no evolution, because after Creation Week, 4.6 billion years ago, there have
been four sets of extinctions and restoration weeks. Mankind has come and gone from
the Earth five times, with one more to follow.

Herman Cummings
Ephraim at aol dot com

 

[Paulos23]

Instead of accepting and teaching the truth (the Observations of Moses) which answers
these questions, they would rather teach false doctrine and misrepresent the Bible,
causing more harm than good.
There was no evolution, because after Creation Week, 4.6 billion years ago, there have
been four sets of extinctions and restoration weeks. Mankind has come and gone from
the Earth five times, with one more to follow.

What????

Evidence, you have any?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Young Earth Creationists are foolish, and refuse to learn the truth of Genesis. They run for cover,
or misquote the scriptures when asked these questions:

1) Where did the water come from on the first day?
1a) Why didn't God say "Let there be a body of water?

2) Why were the birds created on the fifth day before mankind in chapter one,
and created after mankind on the sixth day in chapter two?
2a) In Genesis 2:18, Gods says that Adam was alone, so
the "had formed" alibi won't work.

3) Why is it that the land animals are created before mankind in chapter one,
and after Adam in chapter two?
3a) No matter how much "focus" you put on history, the sequence
of events do not ever change, unless there is an error.

4) Why is it that male and female are created together in chapter one, and the
animals are made between them in chapter two?
4a) Same as 3a


Instead of accepting and teaching the truth (the Observations of Moses) which answers
these questions, they would rather teach false doctrine and misrepresent the Bible,
causing more harm than good.
There was no evolution, because after Creation Week, 4.6 billion years ago, there have
been four sets of extinctions and restoration weeks. Mankind has come and gone from
the Earth five times, with one more to follow.

Herman Cummings
Ephraim at aol dot com

Wow, it's been a long long time since i have even heard of this particular take on Genesis, and I have never met someone who viewed it this way. This is a pattern of thought and biblical interpretation that rose in the hopes of making a sort of compromise between the observations of evolution scientists and the fossil record, although humans being created in each creation event seems like a unique addition.

 

[JCTheCreation]

I'm sorry you were abused. I'm glad you found Christ and forgiveness. The prisoner you set free (from the bondage of hate) was yourself. Congrats

I can understand his pain (maybe not exactly since I wasn't abused), but in my experience forgiveness is definitely a better path, theist or atheist.

Nah. Unconditional hate didn't create you and me. It doesn't sustain us either. It's just a self righteous anger we can hang onto, or let go of. It's not a disembodied spirit of any sort.

The term "satan" derives from the root term 'adversary', and IMO it refers to nothing more than selfish human ego. It's akin to blasphemy IMO to attempt to uplift simple human selfishness to the level of 'creator'. There is nothing 'opposing' God IMO other than perhaps simple human ego which does in fact 'seem' to have the ability to separate us from God. In reality however that is but an illusion of our own mind since we could no more exist in the absence of God than a fish could thrive in the absence of all water molecules.

I understand that Satan derives from the word Adversary. By deffinition, the adversary, is the opposition. Opposition means, opposite! Whether Satan or the Adversary is a literal spirit, or just our own instincts that cause us to fall short of perfection, it doesn't matter. They are the things that cause destruction to Gods creations. There is no good without evil, light without darkness or God without life. God without life, would simply be a lone figure who is God over nothing.

 

[SkyWriting]

Regardless of what you believe, something coming from nothing, just makes absolutely no sense. If you believe in God, well then where did God come from?

The scriptures cover all that. God is spirit and always was.
God prefers fellowship and so made matter, then us from
the dust.

God is the Original source. He always existed and so needs
no source Himself.

 

[JCTheCreation]

That is wrong. At the center of the Earth you are experiencing the same gravitational pull from all directions. As you move below the surface of the Earth you will find that objects weigh less and less as you move towards the center of the Earth. This is due to the fact that you have more and more Earth above you pulling on the object.

It would be reverse gravity. At the core of the density of a sphere, you would be pulled outward equally in all directions being suspended in air.

 

[mzungu]

It would be reverse gravity. At the core of the density of a sphere, you would be pulled outward equally in all directions being suspended in air.

No it would not be reverse gravity as the force you will experience will not be a repelling one.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The scriptures cover all that. God is spirit and always was.
God prefers fellowship and so made matter, then us from
the dust.

God is the Original source. He always existed and so needs
no source Himself.

If you can apply that quality to god, then why not to the singularity that the universe was prior to the Big Bang? If a being as vast and intelligent as god needs no creator or explanation for its existence, then why does the much less intelligent and vast humanity need an explanation or a creator for our existence beyond just natural processes?

 

[SkyWriting]

If you can apply that quality to god, then why not to the singularity that the universe was prior to the Big Bang? If a being as vast and intelligent as god needs no creator or explanation for its existence, then why does the much less intelligent and vast humanity need an explanation or a creator for our existence beyond just natural processes?

Oh you can worship "mother nature". But a bear will eat it's own children and then rip you into little pieces, like it did that researcher and his girlfriend a few years back. Or you may die during birth or have a brain hemorage this afternoon.

That's not the God I prefer to converse with. This natural world is not a place we are happy with. With good reason.

 

[mzungu]

Oh you can worship "mother nature". But a bear will eat it's own children and then rip you into little pieces, like it did that researcher and his girlfriend a few years back. Or you may die during birth or have a brain hemorage this afternoon.

That's not the God I prefer to converse with. This natural world is not a place we are happy with. With good reason.

Should someone be punished if he were to put you out of your misery and let you go to the place you believe is better than reality?

Abortion is good because it saves the unborn from this horrid natural world!

OK Gotcha!

 

[lifetips]

Evolution isn't about where the universe came from, or even the origins of the first existing life, only how life changes over time. These scientific theories are not interdependent, one can be wrong without the other necessarily being incorrect (and one being correct doesn't make the other correct as well).

Very true. Also, we should never be debating Creation v Evolution, but should debate Creation v Abiogenesis as evolution and abiogenesis deals with completely different subjects.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This natural world is not a place we are happy with. With good reason.

So why stick around?

 

[stevevw]

Let's dissect this opening post.

These days, most seem to be thinking in the direction of a Multi-verse which by itself is something like what you could call "eternal" or "infinite".

Multi universes have no evidence and are only proposed to explain the fine tuning problem.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Very true. Also, we should never be debating Creation v Evolution, but should debate Creation v Abiogenesis as evolution and abiogenesis deals with completely different subjects.

I could live with that, it would be a less one sided debate.

 

[SkyWriting]

So why stick around?

Most mind altering drugs are addictive and a pain to
keep on hand for when reality hits a little to hard.

Death is for whimps. Life takes courage.

 

[SkyWriting]

Let's dissect this opening post.


Multi universes have no evidence and are only proposed to explain the fine tuning problem.

The Multi-Verse theory is direct from scientific observation
of quantum theory effects. "Reality" doesn't exist until it is
observed. Then, the results change depending on the observation
method used. In every other aspect of science, the smallest
rules apply to the larger scale as well.

IF that is the case, then the result would be a multiverse where
every potential outcome is there, somewhere.

If quantum physics does not apply on the larger scale, then
it is a unique situation not found in any other areas of science.

 

[Loudmouth]

Multi universes have no evidence and are only proposed to explain the fine tuning problem.

The fine tuning argument assumes that there is only one universe which has no evidence.

 

[SkyWriting]

Should someone be punished if he were to put you out of your misery and let you go to the place you believe is better than reality?
Abortion is good because it saves the unborn from this horrid natural world!
OK Gotcha!

Regardless of how much better the next life will be
we have an obligation to honor what we have been
given so far, and those who murder for selfish
reasons must be stopped. If their crimes are severe
enough, then we might have to take away the gift
of life they have used and abused.