Something coming from nothing? Evolution vs. Creation

[Strathos]

Confusing the Big Bang with biological evolution
Confusing evolution with abiogenesis
Thinking that acceptance of any of these theories and belief in God are mutually exclusive

Common mistakes

 

[PsychoSarah]

Confusing the Big Bang with biological evolution
Confusing evolution with abiogenesis
Thinking that acceptance of any of these theories and belief in God are mutually exclusive

Common mistakes

I know.

 

[pyramid33]

God. Where space comes from.

 

[PsychoSarah]

God. Where space comes from.

Must... Resist... Temptation... To state where some space resides...

 

[JCTheCreation]

Ok, I will admit, this post was more meant for those who believe in the big bang and evolution as opposed to creation and evolution. I know they are not exclusive because I am one who believes in intelligent design and evolution working hand in hand. Now, as to the Absolute laws of the universe, there are 7 of them that are unchanging. Personally, I believe these to be the 7 lampstands described in Revelation that constantly burn, shaping the universe we live in. If you want to know exact descriptions of the laws, do a Google search. But they are laws that cannot be changed, only observed. The first law is the Law of Perpetual Transmutation. Second, the law of relativity, third, The Law of Vibration, 4 The Law of Polarity/Opposites, 5 The Law of Rhythm, 6 The law of Cause and Effect, 7 The Law of Gender. These are the laws in which allow for creation. They are also the laws in which allow for the creations to create for themselves and allow evolution. Now, as to the laws in the universe before God, or God before the laws, its like asking, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Well, I wasn't there, so I of course can't give a definitive answer. I would imagine that the laws gave a platform for awareness and consciousness. Regardless, what I do believe firmly, is that God is a culmination of these laws that allow for creation. What I also believe, is that God is the ultimate mathematician and scientist. Magic is just science that we haven't figured out yet. Traveling at the speed of light, time travel, seeing and knowing all... All possible if God were the master of science and mathematics, which I believe He is. Gods technology is far greater than we could ever imagine. His foundation is perfect and that is what I believe repentance and heaven is all about. In order to enter into the kingdom of heaven, we too must become perfect. Our universe runs much like a computer. Our world runs much like a computer with a virus. I believe Heaven is the foundation for all creation and just like you would not create a computer program using a computer containing a virus, God doesn't let anything but perfection enter His kingdom of heaven which is the foundation of creation.

 

[lesliedellow]

If you want to know exact descriptions of the laws, do a Google search. But they are laws that cannot be changed, only observed. The first law is the Law of Perpetual Transmutation. Second, the law of relativity, third, The Law of Vibration, 4 The Law of Polarity/Opposites, 5 The Law of Rhythm, 6 The law of Cause and Effect, 7 The Law of Gender.

That sounds like pure moonshine, both religiously and scientifically.

 

[JCTheCreation]

That sounds like pure moonshine, both religiously and scientifically.

All 100% based in observational science!

 

[lesliedellow]

All 100% based in observational science!

Typical new-ageism pseudo science you mean. From one site:

frequencies exist outside of our normal range of perception, all can be perceived as both colors and sounds. There are seven colors in a rainbow and seven notes in the musical scale. So the color blue is also heard as the musical key of D, which vibrates at 587 Hz.

The frequency of blue light is around 650 THz, not 587 Hz.

But, I don't want to derail anything which helps keep you off of drugs.

 

[keith99]

God said 'Let there be light' and BANG there was light!

 

[keith99]

That sounds like pure moonshine, both religiously and scientifically.

No, good moonshine is both clear and useful. And often found in Kentucky and Tennessee, specifically the backwoods.

 

[Strathos]

Ok, I will admit, this post was more meant for those who believe in the big bang and evolution as opposed to creation and evolution. I know they are not exclusive because I am one who believes in intelligent design and evolution working hand in hand. Now, as to the Absolute laws of the universe, there are 7 of them that are unchanging. Personally, I believe these to be the 7 lampstands described in Revelation that constantly burn, shaping the universe we live in. If you want to know exact descriptions of the laws, do a Google search. But they are laws that cannot be changed, only observed. The first law is the Law of Perpetual Transmutation. Second, the law of relativity, third, The Law of Vibration, 4 The Law of Polarity/Opposites, 5 The Law of Rhythm, 6 The law of Cause and Effect, 7 The Law of Gender. These are the laws in which allow for creation. They are also the laws in which allow for the creations to create for themselves and allow evolution. Now, as to the laws in the universe before God, or God before the laws, its like asking, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Well, I wasn't there, so I of course can't give a definitive answer. I would imagine that the laws gave a platform for awareness and consciousness. Regardless, what I do believe firmly, is that God is a culmination of these laws that allow for creation. What I also believe, is that God is the ultimate mathematician and scientist. Magic is just science that we haven't figured out yet. Traveling at the speed of light, time travel, seeing and knowing all... All possible if God were the master of science and mathematics, which I believe He is. Gods technology is far greater than we could ever imagine. His foundation is perfect and that is what I believe repentance and heaven is all about. In order to enter into the kingdom of heaven, we too must become perfect. Our universe runs much like a computer. Our world runs much like a computer with a virus. I believe Heaven is the foundation for all creation and just like you would not create a computer program using a computer containing a virus, God doesn't let anything but perfection enter His kingdom of heaven which is the foundation of creation.

What verses are you getting these "laws" from?

 

[JCTheCreation]

Typical new-ageism pseudo science you mean. From one site:



The frequency of blue light is around 650 THz, not 587 Hz.

But, I don't want to derail anything which helps keep you off of drugs.

Which Laws are not scientifically proven and accepted? The law of relativity? The Law in which everything has its opposite? The law that everything is in constant state of vibration? The law that energy is constantly evolving and devolving but can never be destroyed? Which of these are not based in fact? And please provide some examples in the universe and where you got your information. Thanks

 

[Michael]

Which Laws are not scientifically proven and accepted? The law of relativity?

I think the term you're looking for is "theory" in that particular case. I'd grant you however that gravity itself is pretty much a known constant, even if the mathematical model of preference remains a "theory".

The Law in which everything has its opposite?

Well, speaking of gravity, until you can show me something that resembles anti-gravity, I'll remain a wee skeptical about it's "opposite". Does unconditional love really have a rational opposite?

The law that everything is in constant state of vibration?

Ok, maybe I'll buy that idea so long as you allow for the vibration to change depending on the energy state of the item in question. I wouldn't exactly call that a "law", but you're definitely in the ballpark with that one.

The law that energy is constantly evolving and devolving but can never be destroyed?

Alright, conservation of energy is in fact a "law" of physics as far as we know.

 

[JCTheCreation]

I think the term you're looking for is "theory" in that particular case. I'd grant you however that gravity itself is pretty much a known constant, even if the mathematical model of preference remains a "theory".

Well, speaking of gravity, until you can show me something that resembles anti-gravity, I'll remain a wee skeptical about it's "opposite". Does unconditional love really have a rational opposite?

Ok, maybe I'll buy that idea so long as you allow for the vibration to change depending on the energy state of the item in question. I wouldn't exactly call that a "law", but you're definitely in the ballpark with that one.

Alright, conservation of energy is in fact a "law" of physics as far as we know.

I would say yes, unconditional hate is the opposite of unconditional love. Lol. And as far as the opposite of gravity, just because scientists haven't figured it out yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Lets go all the way back to the beginning of the universe. Whether it be by intelligent creation or the big bang. In both instances, the universe instantaneously expanded to the size of infinity. I would argue, there is some anti-gravity involved! Lol

 

[Michael]

I would say yes, unconditional hate is the opposite of unconditional love. Lol.

Maybe, but it wouldn't be a particularly rational option, nor an easy one to "stick to".

And as far as the opposite of gravity, just because scientists haven't figured it out yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Lets go all the way back to the beginning of the universe. Whether it be by intelligent creation or the big bang. In both instances, the universe instantaneously expanded to the size of infinity. I would argue, there is some anti-gravity involved! Lol

Well, until you come up with an opposite, I'm afraid I can't call that one a 'law'. PS, I don't really believe there is an opposite to God either.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Maybe, but it wouldn't be a particularly rational option, nor an easy one to "stick to".


Well, until you come up with an opposite, I'm afraid I can't call that one a 'law'. PS, I don't really believe there is an opposite to God either.

It would be a bit of a stretch, but I guess you could consider Satan or some other negative/evil being to be the opposite of a loving god, in a way. Definitely the antithesis to god.

 

[Michael]

It would be a bit of a stretch, but I guess you could consider Satan or some other negative/evil being to be the opposite of a loving god, in a way. Definitely the antithesis to god.

The root of the term satan, comes the term "adversary" and eluded to human 'ego' and selfishness before their were terms like 'ego' in the human vocabulary. Even "Lucifer' was simply portrayed as an 'angel' working for God, but who was also distrustful of humans. IMO the whole 'satan' concept refers to nothing more than human selfishness and selfish human behaviors. There is no 'antithesis' to God IMO.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The root of the term satan, comes the term "adversary" and eluded to human 'ego' and selfishness before their were terms like 'ego' in the human vocabulary. Even "Lucifer' was simply portrayed as an 'angel' working for God, but who was also distrustful of humans. IMO the whole 'satan' concept refers to nothing more than human selfishness and selfish human behaviors. There is no 'antithesis' to God IMO.

Yes yes, I am well aware (I heard a translation in which Satan can also mean rebel), but you aren't a complete literalist when it comes to the bible, so of course you would consider portions to be allegorical.

I find it interesting though how curious people got about the concept of the devil and tried to fill in the lack of detail about hell and the devil themselves.

I did say it would be a stretch.

 

[JCTheCreation]

Maybe, but it wouldn't be a particularly rational option, nor an easy one to "stick to".



Well, until you come up with an opposite, I'm afraid I can't call that one a 'law'. PS, I don't really believe there is an opposite to God either.

Yeah, unconditional hate is actually quite easy to stick to. As someone who was abused bad as a kid, I unconditionally hated the ones who hurt me, until I found God and realized that I had to forgive in order to move forward with my own life. My brother is an Athiest, and still has unconditional hate for the people who did such horrible things to him. Unconditional hate, is just as much a part of our lives as unconditional love, if not more. Also, the opposite of God, The Creator, The Truth, The Perfection, is Satan, The Destroyer, The Lie, The Confusion!

 

[JCTheCreation]

Also, back to the anti gravity, in theory, again anti gravity is absolutely possible. For example, if you were at the very core of the earth, there would be no gravity. Because gravity comes from the pull of density, if one could put himself inside of that density, you would find yourself in a reverse gravity. I believe God is probably the most dense entity in the Universe and has enveloped the universe. God is the anti-gravity which causes the universe to continually expand.