Something About Mary

[Thekla]

Wow... I learned something new, something simple really, like "a duh", ever do that? I do, over the smallest details. Cause I posted earlier on Daniel opening his window and prayed toward Jerusalem, and always thought, why on earth did he do that? but then it just dawned on me as I just read Solomon saying of how they would pray "toward this place" (Jerusalem) In 1Kings 8:35 When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them: Thus....Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.

Pretty cool, its the little things that make my day when I find a detail I overlooked or just couldnt catch as to why.

Everyone else probrobly already knows this but me

And in the Psalms ...

I will worship toward your holy temple, and praise your name for your lovingkindness and for your truth: for you have magnified your word above all your name. (138)

 

[Eliwho]

Wow... I learned something new, something simple really, like "a duh", ever do that? I do, over the smallest details. Cause I posted earlier on Daniel opening his window and prayed toward Jerusalem, and always thought, why on earth did he do that? but then it just dawned on me as I just read Solomon saying of how they would pray "toward this place" (Jerusalem) In 1Kings 8:35 When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them: Thus....Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.

Pretty cool, its the little things that make my day when I find a detail I overlooked or just couldnt catch as to why.

Everyone else probrobly already knows this but me

Glad to see yer feelin' better.

You mean like how now we pray this direction?

Isaiah 33:20 KJVA

Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down ; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed , neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken .

 

[Fireinfolding]

And in the Psalms ...

I will worship toward your holy temple, and praise your name for your lovingkindness and for your truth: for you have magnified your word above all your name. (138)

Just wasnt clicking in why it showed that in Daniel and that bugged me, like I was checking back with Moses rather then Solomon for this doing or something. Could kick myself, it was definately a duh moment for me lol

 

[Fireinfolding]

Glad to see yer feelin' better.

You mean like how now we pray this direction?

Isaiah 33:20 KJVA

Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down ; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed , neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken .

Yeah I am a little (thanks for everyones prayers) its tolerable at this point.

Theres the Jerusalem above too and the tabernacle the Lord has pitched not man right?

 

[Eliwho]

Yeah I am a little (thanks for everyones prayers) its tolerable at this point.

Theres the Jerusalem above too and the tabernacle the Lord has pitched not man right?

Yep, the new jerusalem is the one I figgered Isaiah was talkin' about.

Hebrews 12:22 KJVA

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

edited this in: came accross it earlier today and had to find it again.

 

[motherprayer]

Wow... I learned something new, something simple really, like "a duh", ever do that? I do, over the smallest details. Cause I posted earlier on Daniel opening his window and prayed toward Jerusalem, and always thought, why on earth did he do that? but then it just dawned on me as I just read Solomon saying of how they would pray "toward this place" (Jerusalem) In 1Kings 8:35 When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them: Thus....Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.

Pretty cool, its the little things that make my day when I find a detail I overlooked or just couldnt catch as to why.

Everyone else probrobly already knows this but me

I learned something too, from this and everything below.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Do you think we all just fell off the turnip truck and so don't know that Matthew 16:18 is the "one passage of scripture out of the Bible" that the Roman Catholic Church has built its entire theology and worldview upon?

But it's not the only one that we use to show that Peter is the first Pope. FYI.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I think it more has to do with laying in bed with another woman and probrobly saying, "Hey! dont judge my HEART by my body, because fornicating with her is just not in there (as you might suppose) because of how it might appear (in that way).

Jesus talked to sinners, but I dont think you would find him (positionally so) in bed with one doing that and then saying, now, now, dont judge by appearances (in that way).

I agree with you. My point is that context is everything. If my conversation with her is about things we shouldn't be talking about, which you wouldn't know from just seeing me from across the street, you'd be right to look askance at what I'm doing. If I'm inviting her to walk to Mass with me, you'd be wrong.

The truth is that I walk to Mass every noon-time, and there's strip clubs along the way, and sometimes the (obviously) female employees are outside trying to drum up business. I have, at different times, invited them to come with me to Church...

 

[Root of Jesse]

Says who?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7727672-35/
Is Sunday the biblical worhsip day or Sabbath?





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God.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Oh no you DIDENT!

I am a Christian.
I worship every day!

Jesus Christ is my rest
(That's what Sabbath means )

We can have church meetins any day we want to.[/quote]
Well we don't have "church meetins". We offer worship,Mass, which we demand every Catholic to attend somewhere, on Sunday. We also offer daily Mass.
Many Christians do worship every day. Many go when they feel like it, or when a certain preacher is in town, then watch him on TV the rest of the time.

I didn't mean to imply anything about how or when others worship. Please accept my apology. Stryder was saying Sunday's not a holy day...he'd be wrong. You'd be right-every day should be a 'holy day'.

 

[Root of Jesse]

A day being holy is established by God, not you or I. So you worshipping on it doesn't make it holy.

As far as your "but for us Christians" remark. I'll let that one go. Last time someone made a similar remark and I called them out on it, I was accused of bearing false witness. I wouldn't want that to happen again.

I didn't mean it that way.

But God did decide when we should worship. Jesus rose on a Sunday, that's why we worship on that day. He made it holy, we keep it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Says who?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7727672-35/
Is Sunday the biblical worhsip day or Sabbath?

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Is Sunday the biblical worhsip day or Sabbath?

God.

That clinches it for me





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[Root of Jesse]

Not at all. The commandment says to not bow down before graven images.

It says not to bow down to idols. An idol would be anything you make an idol, anything you worship as a god. Therefore, if it's not something you worship, and you bow in front of it, it's not worshipping, because by definition, worship involves something you believe to be a god.

Also, why does bowing or kneeling in a certain place necessarily involve something in the vicinity of where you're kneeling??? Like, how far must I be away from a statue before I'm considered not bowing to the statue?

 

[Root of Jesse]

It's quite possible. Adultrey is a sin. So for instance, I should't visit a single lady as a married man, and walk out of her house around 3 AM. Not a good look, even if we're having an all night bible study.

So it's about how things look, not about how they are...Maybe I was there mourning her loss of her child? Who are you to assume what your sinister mind thinks I'm doing? Personally, I don't care what you think, I care what God knows.

Bad logic. I could just as well say "You ought not go outside because you're neighbor might assume you're about to go sell drugs".

Again, someone calling your good evil is another subject altogether. However, if there is a command that expressly states that bowing down in front of a grave image is a sin, you can't say it's ok because you're not "worshiping" you're "venerating".

Well, by definition, a graven image is an image which represents God. So, if I have an image, and it's not representing God to me, then it's not "graven".

We don't venerate, worship, or idolize statues. The statues are like pictures of the person represented. So, they're not God, they're not substitutes for God, and they're not holy. The people they represent are, but they're not in the statue. You should just leave this alone, really.

 

[Cappadocious]

they're not holy.

Yeah they are.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I agree with you. My point is that context is everything. If my conversation with her is about things we shouldn't be talking about, which you wouldn't know from just seeing me from across the street, you'd be right to look askance at what I'm doing. If I'm inviting her to walk to Mass with me, you'd be wrong.

The truth is that I walk to Mass every noon-time, and there's strip clubs along the way, and sometimes the (obviously) female employees are outside trying to drum up business. I have, at different times, invited them to come with me to Church...

I dont see how a brother in your church (most especially) could judge you talking to those who he would know full well your church is near such places.

I would think (rather) you might be misjudged moreso by unbelievers driving by who dont know you are on your way to church or something like that before a brother at your local assembly (familar with the area).

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yeah they are.

Statues are holy? In what way?

 

[Root of Jesse]

I dont see how a brother in your church (most especially) could judge you talking to those who he would know full well your church is near such places.

I would think (rather) you might be misjudged moreso by unbelievers driving by who dont know you are on your way to church or something like that before a brother at your local assembly (familar with the area).

You're right. The point is that what might seem wrong may not be wrong at all. So if someone is kneeling in front of a statue of Mary, it doesn't mean the person is paying even the smallest attention of worship to the statue. The person is asking Mary for the favor of intercession with God. All devotions involving saints and Mary reflect right to God.

 

[sunlover1]

It says not to bow down to idols. An idol would be anything you make an idol, anything you worship as a god.

Folks don't worship their stomach as a god yet He says it IS their god.

Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach,
and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things.

 

[sunlover1]

Then why provide for the poor? Why feed the hungry? Why clothe the naked? Why not just tell them to pray a prayer...accept Christ and have faith?

Dont think that is what Jesus taught...

Sure is.

We ARE God's arms, legs, mouths...
That's 'why we feed the hungry'.
That's the way God shows you His love.
When Christians love on you, it's GOD.
Sometimes I just wish I could hug Him
and guess what.
I can! But IN another person.
Whatsoever you do to the least of my
brethren, you do unto me.