Some things learned when coming out of atheism and evolutionism...[moved]

[Jimmy D]

I'm not on AIG's payroll

Don't worry, I don't think Cadet mistook you for a trained professional.

 

[Gene2memE]

I was going to write a detailed reply, but realised I didn't have the >3 hours necessary to correct all the mistakes.

Most atheism can be traced to evolutionary indoctrination. Let's see how pseudo science is being used to convince you that you are nothing but an ape update who sprang from some evidenceless and antiscientific primal pond type scenario, and who certainly doesn't have a Creator Who...loves...you. Then let's look at some real science, a bit outside the box.

Just taking this paragraph, there is, in order:

Unevidenced assertion, presented as fact;
Mislabelling of evolution as psuedoscience;
Misunderstanding of human evolutionary pathways;
Attempt to conflate abiogenesis with evolution - these are different, but tangentially related disciplines;
Attempt to discredit one of the better evidenced hypotheses about the origin of life - Darwin's "warm little pond" hasn't been shown to be correct, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he might have been on the right path (See: Origin of first cells at terrestrial, anoxic geothermal fields );
Assertion of a deity without evidence, followed by an assertion of the state of mind of such deity;
Claim to have access to "real science", but also claims that such is " a bit outside the box". As science is observation and inference based on evidence, I'm forced to ponder how it could ever be outside of the box.

Wow, that's a lot to get wrong in three sentences.

 

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[Picky Picky]

I get the impression that few people in Britain are actively commited to atheism. For the most part they just couldn't care less. If they belonged to my parents generation, and you pushed them really hard, they might have owned up to a residual belief.

I see why it might be thought appropriate for a Christian to be actively committed to Christianity, but why an atheist, having come to the conclusion that religious narratives don't relate closely to reality, should then be actively committed to atheism is a puzzle.

I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is unbelievable, and it seems sensible for me therefore not to care much about the whole business. It has some vague interest, and is a good subject for an argument, but why should I feel it necessary to "actively commit" to atheism or against religion? Certainly the questions that seem to matter greatly to Christians — Filioque or no Filioque, rapture or no rapture, real presence or no real presence, faith alone or not, etc etc, are as yawnworthy as train spotting.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is unbelievable, and it seems sensible for me therefore not to care much about the whole business.

You'd make a good [unjust] judge.

Luke 18:2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:

Luke 18:6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.

 

[Picky Picky]

You'd make a good [unjust] judge.

Luke 18:2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:

Luke 18:6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.

A strange parable, that. I think I'd be one of those disciples who kept saying: I don't understand what you're getting at!

 

[AV1611VET]

I think I'd be one of those disciples who kept saying: I don't understand what you're getting at!

Then you'd make a good atheist/disciple-wannabe.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

 

[Picky Picky]

Then you'd make a good atheist/disciple-wannabe.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Good unjust judge? Good atheist/disciple-wannabe? Can't I just stay as I am, an inadequate husband, father, grandparent, citizen?

 

[AV1611VET]

Good unjust judge? Good atheist/disciple-wannabe? Can't I just stay as I am, an inadequate husband, father, grandparent, citizen?

-- I'll say this much: you have a great sense of humor!

 

[bhsmte]

-- I'll say this much: you have a great sense of humor!

He also makes entirely too much sense.

 

[lesliedellow]

I see why it might be thought appropriate for a Christian to be actively committed to Christianity, but why an atheist, having come to the conclusion that religious narratives don't relate closely to reality, should then be actively committed to atheism is a puzzle.

I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is unbelievable, and it seems sensible for me therefore not to care much about the whole business. It has some vague interest, and is a good subject for an argument, but why should I feel it necessary to "actively commit" to atheism or against religion?

Some atheists self evidently do precisely that; even to the extent of going on a world tour to try and win converts (Dawkins and Krauss).

 

[Picky Picky]

Some atheists self evidently do precisely that; even to the extent of going on a world tour to try and win converts (Dawkins and Krauss).

True. They are motivated by the attacks on rationality by the Christian anti-science loonies. I can understand the motivation there. I don't go with them on their world tour.

 

[lesliedellow]

True. They are motivated by the attacks on rationality by the Christian anti-science loonies. I can understand the motivation there. I don't go with them on their world tour.

I am reminded of one of Steven Weinberg's remarks vis-a-vis his colleagues, which was, more or less: "They don't give religion much thought. They are not atheists. They don't think about it enough to be atheists." As if to back that up, Leonard Susskind, on another occasion, made a similar remark about himself.

 

[AV1611VET]

 

[Picky Picky]

I am reminded of one of Steven Weinberg's remarks vis-a-vis his colleagues, which was, more or less: "They don't give religion much thought. They are not atheists. They don't think about it enough to be atheists." As if to back that up, Leonard Susskind, on another occasion, made a similar remark about himself.

I certainly think some of them — Professor Dawkins comes to mind — seem to have rather primitive theological understanding (although so do some Christians, come to that). My own understanding of theology is most certainly not extensive. Since I have no belief in the "Theo" bit of theology, I see no need to extend that understanding.

 

[doubtingmerle]

We have also been told as gawd's truth scientific fact that a 3 foot high ape type creature, an Australopithecus, Lucy, was your great, great etc. granny. Based on? Some minor similarities, namely "similar homology" namely the Correlation Does Not Imply Causation logical fallacy. The fact that she was pretty much like any other ol' Australopithecus was irrelevant to them. Incomplete Comparison logical fallacy.

Perhaps you should have been listening to atheists during those years in which you claim to have been an atheist. Perhaps if you heard their actual reasons, your views today would be very different. What I see in the OP has nothing to do with either the common atheist or common Christian views of evolution. Would you like to learn about our actual views on evolution so you can talk about what we are actually saying?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I see why it might be thought appropriate for a Christian to be actively committed to Christianity, but why an atheist, having come to the conclusion that religious narratives don't relate closely to reality, should then be actively committed to atheism is a puzzle.

I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is unbelievable, and it seems sensible for me therefore not to care much about the whole business. It has some vague interest, and is a good subject for an argument, but why should I feel it necessary to "actively commit" to atheism or against religion? Certainly the questions that seem to matter greatly to Christians — Filioque or no Filioque, rapture or no rapture, real presence or no real presence, faith alone or not, etc etc, are as yawnworthy as train spotting.

Say, are you one of those people who aren't committed to not trainspotting?

 

[lesliedellow]

Say, are you one of those people who aren't committed to not trainspotting?

Train spotting has never been known to generate overly much in the way of emotion. Religion has, and you only need to listen to the new atheists to hear it in full flow.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

I take it I don't need to tell you where that comes from.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Train spotting has never been known to generate overly much in the way of emotion.

Oh, I don't know... "Enraged trainspotters slam the BBC for screening five-month-old train footage – and claiming it was live"

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

I take it I don't need to tell you where that comes from.

I looked it up - Dawkins. Yes, he's a bit of a pain in that respect, but the quote isn't far off - though I can't think off-hand where the sadomasochism comes in...

 

[SteveB28]

Oh, I don't know... "Enraged trainspotters slam the BBC for screening five-month-old train footage – and claiming it was live"

I looked it up - Dawkins. Yes, he's a bit of a pain in that respect, but the quote isn't far off - though I can't think off-hand where the sadomasochism comes in...

Sending 'himself' to be tortured and executed perhaps.......?