Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

[RickG]

There are 8 rules of Bible interpretation. We look first at who the Bible was written for. Then we look at the message that God has for us today in our generation.

Here are the eight rules: ........​

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Interesting. And to think that just those eight rules spawned over 38,000 Christian denominations. Could I offer a 9th rule, or at least a consideration?

9. What was or was not scripture and what eventually became the bible, was heavily debated and contested by men. Do you think maybe, there just might have been a bit of bias that went into some of those decisions. Hmmmmmm? That's is why I prefer to read the bible as a spiritual guide rather than a literal history, and definitely not a science book.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Fortunately science works by considering all evidence, unlike a court of law which decides which evidence can or cannot be used.

So, let's look at some of the evidence that "your" kangaroo court of law omits........

Now AV, If "any" of these appeared out of order in the geologic record you would have a valid argument against evolution. However, that does not happen anywhere. You can't get from single celled animals to genus homo without evolution. There are many examples of macroevolution you choose to willfully ignore. Nevertheless, they are not needed to prove evolution has occurred as I have shown above.

Have you or others here ever seen the movie "Inherit The Wind"
I loved the part about the "sponge" when Henry Drummond puts Matthew Brady on the stand during a trial on Evolution

American Rhetoric: Movie Speech from Inherit the Wind - Henry Drummond Questions Matthew Harrison Brady on the Bible

“Then why did God plaint us with the power to think?! Mr. Brady, why do you deny the one faculty of man raises him above the other creatures of the earth: the power of his brain to reason? What other merit have we? The elephant is larger; the horse is swifter and stronger; the butterfly is far more beautiful; the mosquito is more prolific. Even the simple sponge is more durable. Or does a sponge think?”

”I don’t know. I am a man, not a sponge.”

”Well, do ya think a sponge thinks?”

“If the Lord wishes a sponge to think, it thinks!”

“Do you think a man should have the same privilege as a sponge?”

“Of course!”

”This man wishes to be accorded the same privilege as a sponge! He wishes to think!!”

 

[RickG]

Have you or others here ever seen the movie "Inherit The Wind"
I loved the part about the "sponge" when Henry Drummond puts Matthew Brady on the stand during a trial on Evolution

American Rhetoric: Movie Speech from Inherit the Wind - Henry Drummond Questions Matthew Harrison Brady on the Bible

I have but it was quite a while ago. Thanks for the link. Reading some of the dialogue was quite interesting.

 

[billypayton]

I believe in Gods creation

 

[brinny]

Have you or others here ever seen the movie "Inherit The Wind"
I loved the part about the "sponge" when Henry Drummond puts Matthew Brady on the stand during a trial on Evolution

American Rhetoric: Movie Speech from Inherit the Wind - Henry Drummond Questions Matthew Harrison Brady on the Bible

“Then why did God plaint us with the power to think?! Mr. Brady, why do you deny the one faculty of man raises him above the other creatures of the earth: the power of his brain to reason? What other merit have we? The elephant is larger; the horse is swifter and stronger; the butterfly is far more beautiful; the mosquito is more prolific. Even the simple sponge is more durable. Or does a sponge think?”

”I don’t know. I am a man, not a sponge.”

”Well, do ya think a sponge thinks?”

“If the Lord wishes a sponge to think, it thinks!”

“Do you think a man should have the same privilege as a sponge?”

“Of course!”

”This man wishes to be accorded the same privilege as a sponge! He wishes to think!!”

Classic movie. Excellent actors.

 

[cupid dave]

So for you a day is 100 million years, for GAP a day is 1000 years and for YEC a day is a day.
The only difference is you like adding a lot of zeros.

Yeah... as long as U can accept the story and go on what's the dif?

Science minded people just need read better.


"Simple animals" were NOT the "first sprouts of life on planet Earth," or "grass" as stated in the KJV Bible.

Bacteria in the oceans was first.

Bacteria was originally classified as a Plant.
But further subdivision of the Taxonomy created a special classification for plants like bacteria which do not have nuclear membranes.

http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id18.html

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bacteria |bakˈti(&#601rēə|
plural form of bacterium .
USAGE See usage at bacterium .

Formerly included in the plant kingdom, they are now classified separately (as prokaryotes).

bacterium |bakˈti(&#601rēəm|
noun ( pl. -teria |-ˈti(&#601rēə|)
a member of a large group of unicellular microorganisms that have cell walls but lack organelles and an organized nucleus, including some that can cause disease.

Bacteria are widely distributed in soil, water, and air, and on or in the tissues of plants and animals. Formerly included in the plant kingdom, they are now classified separately (as prokaryotes). They play a vital role in global ecology, as the chemical changes they bring about include those of organic decay and nitrogen fixation. Much modern biochemical knowledge has been gained from the study of bacteria because they grow easily and reproduce rapidly in laboratory cultures.

 

[brinny]

Yeah... as long as U can accept the story and go on what's the dif?

Science minded people just need read better.


"Simple animals" were NOT the "first sprouts of life on planet Earth," or "grass" as stated in the KJV Bible.

Bacteria in the oceans was first.

Bacteria was originally classified as a Plant.
But further subdivision of the Taxonomy created a special classification for plants like bacteria which do not have nuclear membranes.

Genesis 1:11-13

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bacteria |bakˈti(&#601rēə|
plural form of bacterium .
USAGE See usage at bacterium .

Formerly included in the plant kingdom, they are now classified separately (as prokaryotes).

bacterium |bakˈti(&#601rēəm|
noun ( pl. -teria |-ˈti(&#601rēə|)
a member of a large group of unicellular microorganisms that have cell walls but lack organelles and an organized nucleus, including some that can cause disease.

Bacteria are widely distributed in soil, water, and air, and on or in the tissues of plants and animals. Formerly included in the plant kingdom, they are now classified separately (as prokaryotes). They play a vital role in global ecology, as the chemical changes they bring about include those of organic decay and nitrogen fixation. Much modern biochemical knowledge has been gained from the study of bacteria because they grow easily and reproduce rapidly in laboratory cultures.

Were there bacteria before the fall?

 

[cupid dave]

Were there bacteria before the fall?

Bacteria and yeast and fungi are all plants that were the very first sprouts of life on earth before the creation of man, even.

 

[Skaloop]

Bacteria and yeast and fungi are all plants that were the very first sprouts of life on earth before the creation of man, even.

No, they are not.

 

[cupid dave]

Are you saying that a virgin (asexual) birth can only result in a female child?

Accordingto the Bible two men were born under miraculous circumstances:


Both Elijah and Christ. had miraculous births:

Jewish Encyclopedia:
Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: Mention must be made of a statement which, though found only in the later cabalistic literature (Yal?u? Reubeni, Bereshit, 9a, ed. Amsterdam), seems nevertheless to be very old (see Epiphanius, l.c.), and according to which Elijah was an angel in human form, so that he had neither parents nor offspring.
See also Melchizedek.

Matthew1:23 ..Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they (Christians) SHALL (future tense) call his name Emmanuel, (which they now do) which being interpreted is, God with us (Trinity).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Accordingto the Bible two men were born under miraculous circumstances:


Both Elijah and Christ. had miraculous births:

Jewish Encyclopedia:
Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: Mention must be made of a statement which, though found only in the later cabalistic literature (Yal?u? Reubeni, Bereshit, 9a, ed. Amsterdam), seems nevertheless to be very old (see Epiphanius, l.c.), and according to which Elijah was an angel in human form, so that he had neither parents nor offspring.
See also Melchizedek.

Matthew1:23 ..Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they (Christians) SHALL (future tense) call his name Emmanuel, (which they now do) which being interpreted is, God with us (Trinity).

I would think the birth of Isaac thru Abraham and Sarah was rather miraculous considering the ages of them at the time.
And afterall, the promise seed was to come thru Isaac

Genesis 17:17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, "Shall [a child] be born to a man who is one hundred years old? And shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear [a child?"]
18 And Abraham said to God, "Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!"
19 Then God said: "No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his descendants after him.
　
Young) Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham hath offered up Isaac, being tried, and the only begotten/monogenh <3439> he did offer up who did receive the promises,

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Were there bacteria before the fall?

Considering how humans absolutely require the existence of bacteria to survive, I'd say you'd have to have bacteria before "the fall".

 

[Skaloop]

Considering how humans absolutely require the existence of bacteria to survive, I'd say you'd have to have bacteria before "the fall".

Nuh-uh; we require bacteria to survive because of the fall.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Were there bacteria before the fall?

Considering how humans absolutely require the existence of bacteria to survive, I'd say you'd have to have bacteria before "the fall".

Please elaborate. Thank you.

 

[Incariol]

Have you or others here ever seen the movie "Inherit The Wind"
I loved the part about the "sponge" when Henry Drummond puts Matthew Brady on the stand during a trial on Evolution

American Rhetoric: Movie Speech from Inherit the Wind - Henry Drummond Questions Matthew Harrison Brady on the Bible

“Then why did God plaint us with the power to think?! Mr. Brady, why do you deny the one faculty of man raises him above the other creatures of the earth: the power of his brain to reason? What other merit have we? The elephant is larger; the horse is swifter and stronger; the butterfly is far more beautiful; the mosquito is more prolific. Even the simple sponge is more durable. Or does a sponge think?”

”I don’t know. I am a man, not a sponge.”

”Well, do ya think a sponge thinks?”

“If the Lord wishes a sponge to think, it thinks!”

“Do you think a man should have the same privilege as a sponge?”

“Of course!”

”This man wishes to be accorded the same privilege as a sponge! He wishes to think!!”

Wow, looks great, I should watch the movie sometime.

 

[Incariol]

Please elaborate. Thank you.

Gut flora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Please elaborate. Thank you.

Gut flora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for the link. however, were bacteria, organisms present before the fall?

 

[Incariol]

Thank you for the link. however, were bacteria, organisms present before the fall?

Probably, prokaryotes evolved before eukaryotes. ScienceDirect - Current Opinion in Genetics & Development : Early evolution and the origin of eukaryotes

http://ijsb.sgmjournals.org/content/52/2/297.short

 

[razeontherock]

Which of course means that when God is involved, we cannot depend on anything at all.

May the Lord forgive your blasphemy, and convict you not to continue!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by dwise1 Which of course means that when God is involved, we cannot depend on anything at all.

May the Lord forgive your blasphemy, and convict you not to continue!

Awww....don't be too hard on him bro

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Romans 2:23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
24 'For the name of the God because of ye, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written.'
[Psalm 74:10]

Reve 16:11 And they blaspheme the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them, and not they reform out of the works of them