Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

[Tinker Grey]

Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it.
- Mark Twain, a Biography

 

[razeontherock]

Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it.
- Mark Twain, a Biography

Are you sure you haven't posted on another forum by the name Mark Twain? Anyway, his / your comment here really holds no merit or value:

(Exodus 20:7) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain"

Pretty basic stuff here

 

[Tinker Grey]

I have only posted on any forum as Tinker Grey. Your verse has nothing to do with what dwise1 posted. Nor is it a response to what Mark Twain said.

 

[Huram Abi]

Bacteria and yeast and fungi are all plants that were the very first sprouts of life on earth before the creation of man, even.

Again, bacteria are not plants. Deshe does not include bacteria.

 

[Huram Abi]

Accordingto the Bible two men were born under miraculous circumstances:


Both Elijah and Christ. had miraculous births:

Jewish Encyclopedia:
Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: Mention must be made of a statement which, though found only in the later cabalistic literature (Yal?u? Reubeni, Bereshit, 9a, ed. Amsterdam), seems nevertheless to be very old (see Epiphanius, l.c.), and according to which Elijah was an angel in human form, so that he had neither parents nor offspring.
See also Melchizedek.

Matthew1:23 ..Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they (Christians) SHALL (future tense) call his name Emmanuel, (which they now do) which being interpreted is, God with us (Trinity).

Hannah, like Elizabeth, Rachel, and Samson's mother, gave birth to a miraculous child after being barren, but since you seem to be confused about it, let's just make sure that you don't continue comparing apples to an orange.


None of these, including Elijah, were born from a virgin, nor is the significance of their births comparable to the miracle of Jesus' birth.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Please elaborate. Thank you.

Vitamin B12 is required in every human cell but plants and animals cannot make it, only bacteria can.

And that's just one vitamin; there are many other nutrients humans can't make and rely on other life forms, including bacteria, to make. Our gut flora does a lot to keep us alive as well. To underscore its importance, your body, by cell count, is only 10% human.

We are not self-sustaining organisms. We evolved in this environment, and thus need it to survive.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would love for you to do that. Please.....pretty please....do it!

Very well:

4 Reasons against Evolution:

1. NOT ENOUGH TIME

• Using the Bible to calculate time, one concludes that the earth has gone around the sun roughly 6100 times. This is much too short a timespan for evolution to have occurred.

2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT

• [bible]Genesis 1:31[/bible]

3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL

• [bible]Romans 5:12[/bible]

4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION

• [bible]Mark 10:6[/bible]

 

[cupid dave]

Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it.
- Mark Twain, a Biography

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:

 

[cupid dave]

Very well:

4 Reasons against Evolution:

1. NOT ENOUGH TIME
Using the Bible to calculate time, one concludes that the earth has gone around the sun roughly 6100 times. This is much too short a timespan for evolution to have occurred.
2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
[bible]Genesis 1:31[/bible]
3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL
[bible]Romans 5:12[/bible]
4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION
[bible]Mark 10:6[/bible]

But you do agree that Genesis describes a gradual and evermore complex unfolding of the Cosmos in general, biologically recognizing that the Plant Kingdom preceded the appearance of the animal kingdom, right?

 

[cupid dave]

Again, bacteria are not plants. Deshe does not include bacteria.

?
Deshe = "the FIRST sprouts of life" on the planet earth?"

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Please elaborate. Thank you.

Vitamin B12 is required in every human cell but plants and animals cannot make it, only bacteria can.

And that's just one vitamin; there are many other nutrients humans can't make and rely on other life forms, including bacteria, to make. Our gut flora does a lot to keep us alive as well. To underscore its importance, your body, by cell count, is only 10% human.

We are not self-sustaining organisms. We evolved in this environment, and thus need it to survive.

And this was so before the fall? How would one test it or what would one compare it to? Our only basis for testing is what is present now.

 

[brinny]

sorry, double post.

 

[driewerf]

And this was so before the fall? How would one test it or what would one compare it to? Our only basis for testing is what is present now.

To test it, one has first to test there was a Fall.

 

[razeontherock]

D - exactly! Which is why some scientific claims remain exactly that; claims.

 

[Greg1234]

To test it, one has first to test there was a Fall.

And then onto testing whether or not there was a actually men on a ship throwing tea overboard. Otherwise the ship was built by the waves.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you do agree that Genesis describes a gradual and evermore complex unfolding of the Cosmos in general...

No

... biologically recognizing that the Plant Kingdom preceded the appearance of the animal kingdom, right?

Yes

 

[Nostromo]

And then onto testing whether or not there was a actually men on a ship throwing tea overboard. Otherwise the ship was built by the waves.

Does the existence of the Boston Tea Party have ramifications which will potentially affect you for the rest of eternity?

 

[razeontherock]

Only as far as King George goes. Then again we speak English, not German ...

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

And this was so before the fall? How would one test it or what would one compare it to? Our only basis for testing is what is present now.

I don't believe in a fall. But you do. So if you believe Adam and Eve were humans, they would have needed Vitamin B12. Not to mention the fact that every ecosystem known on this planet requires bacteria (they decompose, after all).

If your theology insists that bacteria were not there before the fall, you have to believe some increasingly absurd things. Maybe God personally supplied the B12? Well, then he must have envisioned that the fall was going to happen and bacteria were magically going to appear. Or before the fall could humans synthesize B12? Well, why not now? Did God personally shut down that gene so we'd be reliant on bacterial byproducts? Plants also need B12, so did he do something similar for them? Or maybe they didn't need B12? So why do we need it now? People with B12 deficiencies in diseases such as Pernicious Anemia have a terrible time with it, but if humans used to not need B12 before the fall, why do we need it now? God apparently likes to micro-manage his punishments on the molecular level.

If you also believe there was no such thing as death before the fall, wow, well, that has even more problems.

My point is this -- the people who wrote Genesis and the rest of the Bible were not as informed about the nature of biology and reality for the most part. They didn't know what bacteria are. They didn't know what cells are. Maybe the moral of the Garden story is more important than insisting that it actually happened like that.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't believe in a fall. But you do. So if you believe Adam and Eve were humans, they would have needed Vitamin B12. Not to mention the fact that every ecosystem known on this planet requires bacteria (they decompose, after all).

If your theology insists that bacteria were not there before the fall, you have to believe some increasingly absurd things. Maybe God personally supplied the B12? Well, then he must have envisioned that the fall was going to happen and bacteria were magically going to appear. Or before the fall could humans synthesize B12? Well, why not now? Did God personally shut down that gene so we'd be reliant on bacterial byproducts? Plants also need B12, so did he do something similar for them? Or maybe they didn't need B12? So why do we need it now? People with B12 deficiencies in diseases such as Pernicious Anemia have a terrible time with it, but if humans used to not need B12 before the fall, why do we need it now? God apparently likes to micro-manage his punishments on the molecular level.

If you also believe there was no such thing as death before the fall, wow, well, that has even more problems.

My point is this -- the people who wrote Genesis and the rest of the Bible were not as informed about the nature of biology and reality for the most part. They didn't know what bacteria are. They didn't know what cells are. Maybe the moral of the Garden story is more important than insisting that it actually happened like that.

Man -- like I say, if you guys can't get Genesis 1 down, you're in for a doosey of a ride.

Lion, if Adam & Eve needed the sun before the Fall because of B12 or whatever, what about on Earth 2?

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Please answer this.