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Some random discussion on evolution...

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Have you ever heard of the phrase, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"?
But when people start talking about God, and there was a guy called Jesus and all that, well, those claims are quite a bit more extraordinary. And so, I need some extraordinary evidence before I'll believe those claims.

The Romans occupied Jerusalem during Jesus’ life span.

There are Roman accounts of this occupation. The Roman military leaders are well documented

It is also documented that the Rabbi’s in Jerusalem promised the Romans cooperation if they would do something for them.

They complied—

Jesus was crucified

& the only thing Jesus was doing at the time was to acquaint fellow Jews about the verses contained in their Bible.

That bible we know call the old Testament

Now folks, what did the Rabbi’s ask the Roman's to do--?
 
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The Romans occupied Jerusalem during Jesus’ life span.

There are Roman accounts of this occupation. The Roman military leaders are well documented

It is also documented that the Rabbi’s in Jerusalem promised the Romans cooperation if they would do something for them.

They complied—

Jesus was crucified

& the only thing Jesus was doing at the time was to acquaint fellow Jews about the verses contained in their Bible.

That bible we know call the old Testament

Now folks, what did the Rabbi’s ask the Roman's to do--?

Then you should have no problem showing me a contemporary Roman source talking about Jesus.
 
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Many people fail to understand that although evolution, i.e. process of evolution, is a fact, this process is totally powerless in creating higher life forms, as required by the theory of evolution. Higher life forms are characterized by novel proteins, organs, molecular machines, and body plans, that were nonexistent in the lower life forms, such as first self-replicating cells. ...After an enormous number of different genomes produced, humans are anatomically, morphologically and physiologically practically identical, without any traces of new structures starting to develop. ...Most of the changes involved streamlining the genome, deleting genes no longer needed, or reducing protein expression, with one change being the breaking of a repressor switch which caused preexisting citrate-uptake pathway to turn on. So, both humans and E.coli have undergone a lot of evolution, but nothing structurally new was created. ...But natural processes, including evolution, are totally powerless in creating new functional things. Many educated people fail to differentiate between evolution process (fact) and evolution theory (human idea about what the evolution process can and cannot do), which is why they hold irrational beliefs about the enormous creation powers of a mere natural process that is in reality totally powerless.


And yet...

Not a single valid, verified, relevant bit of evidence for creation or "intelligent design" to be found.

Nor a single piece of evidence in support of the miracle powers of the deity described in the bible.

You are shouting into the wind, and nobody cares.
 
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Not a single valid, verified, relevant bit of evidence for creation ...
Such as?

An ion trail? plasma cloud? microwave background? time crystals? what exactly?
 
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And yet...

Not a single valid, verified, relevant bit of evidence for creation or "intelligent design" to be found.

Nor a single piece of evidence in support of the miracle powers of the deity described in the bible.

You are shouting into the wind, and nobody cares.
In fairness, some of us - yourself included - care enough to point out that he is mistaken, in order to halt the spread of misunderstood, misrepresented, or non-existent "facts".
 
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Why are you listing things? He said nothing.
I would like to know what would constitute evidence?

If nothing is mentioned, then I have to assume nothing was looked for.

And if nothing has been looked for, then remarks like this:

"Not a single valid, verified, relevant bit of evidence for creation ..."

... means nothing.

How can someone say there's not a single piece of evidence for x, when they don't know what constitutes evidence for x in the first place?
 
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How can someone say there's not a single piece of evidence for x, when they don't know what constitutes evidence for x in the first place?

We haven't discovered any evidence for it. There may be evidence for it that we have yet to uncover.
 
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I would like to know what would constitute evidence?

If nothing is mentioned, then I have to assume nothing was looked for.

And if nothing has been looked for, then remarks like this:

"Not a single valid, verified, relevant bit of evidence for creation ..."

... means nothing.

How can someone say there's not a single piece of evidence for x, when they don't know what constitutes evidence for x in the first place?

Assume what you like...... there's still nothing.
 
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We haven't discovered any evidence for it. There may be evidence for it that we have yet to uncover.
In my opinion, there are only two ways to show evidence for creationism; and neither can be done.

1. Go back in time to 4004 BC and observe it yourself in real time.

2. Somehow show how the amount of mass/energy in 4004 BC was zero, then raised to its current level over a period of six days.

I submit that anyone who wants evidence for creationism doesn't know their science as well as they think they do.

Either that, or they don't know creationism as well as we do.

No evidence for creationism was generated.
 
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Wherever the shoe fits.

Out of curiosity, but you do ever engage other creationists on this? What you believe (re: lack of creationist evidence) runs contrary to what many other creationist think.
 
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Out of curiosity, but you do ever engage other creationists on this? What you believe (re: lack of creationist evidence) runs contrary to what many other creationist think.
I'll see if I can hunt something up for you.
 
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No evidence for creationism was generated.
If this is true, which it is, then the only reasonable thing to conclude, is that creationists are wrong. There is no other rationale to conclude otherwise. This, then, puts the Genesis creation story firmly into the category of creation myths, and myths, by definition, are not reality.
 
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If this is true, which it is, then the only reasonable thing to conclude, is that creationists are wrong.
Have you seen my Apple Challenge?

The challenge I issued some time ago to get unbelievers to admit no evidence would be generated?

They were smart enough to avoid answering it.
 
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