Some random discussion on evolution...

[Shemjaza]

Substitute honest for critical and you have a true statement.

No chance.

You arguments and beliefs are also incompatible with "analysis", "evidence" and "scientific study".

I'm convinced that your belief in deliberate design is sincere and honest. However your assertions about the support of reason, science or mathematics are anything but.

Just enjoy the comfort, conviction and joy that your faith brings you... don't pretend to have scientific study on side as well.

 

[pitabread]

Hey, it's your theory, you computerize it.

Excuse me? You're the one trying to make the argument about anatomy and complexity, not me.

If you want to support your own arguments, you do the work. That's how the burden of proof works.

 

[pitabread]

I'm convinced that your belief in deliberate design is sincere and honest. However your assertions about the support of reason, science or mathematics are anything but.

Just enjoy the comfort, conviction and joy that your faith brings you... don't pretend to have scientific study on side as well.

Quoted for truth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No chance.

You arguments and beliefs are also incompatible with "analysis", "evidence" and "scientific study".

I'm convinced that your belief in deliberate design is sincere and honest. However your assertions about the support of reason, science or mathematics are anything but.

Just enjoy the comfort, conviction and joy that your faith brings you... don't pretend to have scientific study on side as well.

Not all scientific study points to evolution (unless you torture it enough).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Excuse me? You're the one trying to make the argument about anatomy and complexity, not me.

If you want to support your own arguments, you do the work. That's how the burden of proof works.

The work's been done, no need to reinvent the wheel. Just read some anatomy books and come to your own conclusions. If you don't see purpose, elegance, and design...well, so be it.

 

[pitabread]

The work's been done, no need to reinvent the wheel. Just read some anatomy books and come to your own conclusions.

I have come to my own conclusions. Life has the appearance of having evolved.

The molecular evidence is especially compelling.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I have come to my own conclusions. Life has the appearance of having evolved.

The molecular evidence is especially compelling.

I have no problem with your conclusions.

 

[pitabread]

I have no problem with your conclusions.

Super.

 

[Shemjaza]

Not all scientific study points to evolution (unless you torture it enough).

All relevant study I've ever examined has.

Please feel free to present some scientific study that does not.

 

[Kylie]

If God has ordered the universe his mind must be more complex than all the stars and other things.

This is missing the point. Why does the universe - a complex thing - need a creator if God - even more complex than the universe - does not need a creator?

 

[Kylie]

I defer to those who study anatomy and write books about it. Mr. Gray for example. Are they not reputable scientists in fields relevant to my argument?

Of course they don't make their observations to support my ID point of view, but that's the (inescapable) conclusion I draw from their research.

So you assume that their research points to intelligent design, even though they don't say it does?

Sounds like you are just using the argument from incredulity.

 

[Ophiolite]

It's not turtles all the way down. It begins and ends with God; the Alpha and Omega.

Based on your own words, it's turtles all the way down and an unending stream of gods all the way up.

The one element of truth in all your posts is to be found in your signature. Time for you to embrace it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So you assume that their research points to intelligent design, even though they don't say it does?

Sounds like you are just using the argument from incredulity.

I think ID is a credible argument.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This is missing the point. Why does the universe - a complex thing - need a creator if God - even more complex than the universe - does not need a creator?

Are you saying that the universe always existed. What's the "big bang"?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

All relevant study I've ever examined has.

Please feel free to present some scientific study that does not.

Anatomy study points to design.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Based on your own words, it's turtles all the way down and an unending stream of gods all the way up.

The one element of truth in all your posts is to be found in your signature. Time for you to embrace it.

That's a sarcastic homage to tas (I'll be changing it soon).

 

[Kylie]

I think ID is a credible argument.

You don't know what the argument from incredulity is, do you?

 

[Kylie]

Are you saying that the universe always existed. What's the "big bang"?

No, I am saying that if God can exist without needing an external agent to get God started, then the Universe could exist without some external agent getting it started as well.

 

[Kylie]

Anatomy study points to design.

There are many things in anatomy that don't make sense from a design point of view, yet make perfect sense from an evolutionary point of view.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You don't know what the argument from incredulity is, do you?

Isn't that how evolutionists view creation?