Some random discussion on evolution...

[Kylie]

Yes.

Is God complex?

 

[Ophiolite]

Is God complex?

And Sanoy still believes you cannot make a refutation with a question. What a fool!

Loved the concision. Surgical!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How can you conclude it was deliberately designed if you're not trying to understand its origin?

I know it's origin, and it's not evolution.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is God complex?

Very.

 

[pitabread]

I know it's origin, and it's not evolution.

Except you just said:

I prefer to view anatomy as it is, not a theory of how it came to be.

You're contradicting yourself again.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If you're basing your conclusions on anecdote and a sample size of one, I'd say you're wrong about that.

What do you mean by that?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Except you just said:



You're contradicting yourself again.

It's origin is the creative mind of God. It cannot be otherwise.

 

[pitabread]

It's origin is the creative mind of God.

But how can you demonstrate that by looking at anatomy?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

But how can you demonstrate that by looking at anatomy?

The elegance and complexity of it is beyond the reach of chance.

 

[Shemjaza]

The elegance and complexity of it.

Vague emotional reaction.

Meaningless as evidence for your point.

 

[pitabread]

The elegance and complexity of it.

Elegance is a subjective aesthetic qualifier.

Complexity is a mathematical concept. How are you measuring the complexity of anatomy and how does the complexity of it indicate its origin?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Vague emotional reaction.

Meaningless as evidence for your point.

Until you actually look at it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Elegance is a subjective aesthetic qualifier.

Does that mean it isn't true?

Complexity is a mathematical concept.

What is the formula?

How are you measuring the complexity of anatomy

I'm making a subjective observation.

and how does the complexity of it indicate its origin?

Way too complex to happen accidently, therefore...Goddidit.

 

[pitabread]

Does that mean it isn't true?

It means that it's not an objectively measurable qualifier and therefore not useful for the purpose of this discussion.

What is the formula?

See here: Complexity theory - Encyclopedia of Mathematics

Actually, here is probably a better list: Complexity measure - Wikipedia

I'm making a subjective observation.

Unfortunately subjective observations aren't useful. What we need are objective measurements.

Do you have any?

Way too complex to happen accidently, therefore...Goddidit.

"Way too" implies a comparison. So what are you measuring? What is the comparison?

 

[Shemjaza]

Until you actually look at it.

"Just look at it".

You don't have any specifics. You don't have an argument. You don't have evidence.

Please:

"A wonderful loving God, designed and crafted this world. I just feel it when I look at it and it buoys up my faith."
Is an honest statement.

"A critical analysis of the evidence and scientific study supports the deliberate design of life and the universe."
Is a false statement.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It means that it's not an objectively measurable qualifier and therefore not useful for the purpose of this discussion.

The discussion is about debunking evolution (see the OP).

See here: Complexity theory - Encyclopedia of Mathematics

Actually, here is probably a better list: Complexity measure - Wikipedia

Do these sites state outright that anatomy isn't complex?

"Way too" implies a comparison. So what are you measuring? What is the comparison?

The comparison is between purposeful and accidental.

 

[pitabread]

The discussion is about debunking evolution (see the OP).

Okay. It doesn't change the fact that calling something "elegant" isn't useful to the discussion.

Do these sites state outright that anatomy isn't complex?

Those sites don't discuss anatomy at all.

The comparison is between purposeful and accidental.

That's not a measurement. How are you measuring complexity?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"A critical analysis of the evidence and scientific study supports the deliberate design of life and the universe."
Is a false statement.

Substitute honest for critical and you have a true statement.

 

[Kylie]

Very.

And complex things can only come from things that are even more complex than themselves, right?

 

[Kylie]

What do you mean by that?

You have based your conclusions on your own personal experiences. That makes it anecdote, and since you have looked at only your own experiences, that makes it a sample size of one.

Critical thinking would tell you that relying on a single sample and anecdote is not a valid way to find the truth about anything. Therefore you have not engaged in critical thinking.