Some random discussion on evolution...

[pitabread]

Observation and critical thinking.

Didn't we go through all this previously? I seem to remember it boiled down to personal incredulity (e.g. an emotional view) in the end.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Didn't we go through all this previously? I seem to remember it boiled down to personal incredulity (e.g. an emotional view) in the end.

My incredulity is the result of observation and critical thinking.

 

[pitabread]

My incredulity is the result of observation and critical thinking.

I thought it was from looking at pictures in an anatomy book?

 

[Shemjaza]

Tell that to those who teach those subjects.

I'm very dubious that you can find a critical thinking syllabus anywhere with a chapter on "Gut feelings"

 

[Ophiolite]

Tell that to those who teach those subjects.

Teachers have an immense responsibility in conveying information and method, but the greater responsibility lies with the student. The evidence from the posts you have made on this forum is that you have not met that responsibility. Repeated attempts to guide you towards effective teaching materials by several members have been ignored or rejected. The conclusion is inevitable.

 

[xianghua]

My mistake entirely.

Just for clarity’s sake: do you believe in magical animal cars?

no. you do?

 

[VirOptimus]

no. you do?

Why do you keep posting about it then?

 

[xianghua]

Why do you keep posting about it then?

because it analogy.

 

[VirOptimus]

because it analogy.

Eh, no, its useless.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I thought it was from looking at pictures in an anatomy book?

Reading anatomy books.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm very dubious that you can find a critical thinking syllabus anywhere with a chapter on "Gut feelings"

Gut feelings don't appear out of the blue.

 

[Shemjaza]

Reading anatomy books.

That's your claim... but you can never back it up with details or examples, let alone specific counters to evolutionary science.

The content of the "I just looked at life and it really gave me the feeling that it was designed." is functionally identical to "I read a book about the details of life and it really gave me the feeling that it was designed.".

 

[Shemjaza]

Gut feelings don't appear out of the blue.

No, without analysis or ironically some critical thinking a gut feeling is indistinguishable from wishful thinking or fantasy.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Teachers have an immense responsibility in conveying information and method, but the greater responsibility lies with the student. The evidence from the posts you have made on this forum is that you have not met that responsibility. Repeated attempts to guide you towards effective teaching materials by several members have been ignored or rejected. The conclusion is inevitable.

I have perused lots of evolution material. None of it makes sense to me. In fact I don't know how anyone can make sense of it. One just has to accept it. A simple test will prove me right. Ask a sampling of the majority of people that claim to believe in evolution if they actually understand it. If they say "Well, no I don't", then ask them why they believe it. Then stand by for the dirty little secret about belief in evolution.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's your claim... but you can never back it up with details or examples, let alone specific counters to evolutionary science.

The content of the "I just looked at life and it really gave me the feeling that it was designed." is functionally identical to "I read a book about the details of life and it really gave me the feeling that it was designed.".

I can copy and paste whatever you wish from anatomy books, which will reveal purposeful design at the very least.

 

[Ophiolite]

I have perused lots of evolution material. None of it makes sense to me. In fact I don't know how anyone can make sense of it. One just has to accept it. A simple test will prove me right. Ask a sampling of the majority of people that claim to believs in evolution if they actually understand it.

I have no difficulty whatsoever condemning believers in evolution who don't understand it alongside non-believers in evolution who don't understand it. Slovenly thinking, closed minds, laziness, lack of motivation, etc. Lots of reasons why it isn't understood. Few, if any of them are good ones.

Elitist? No, I just don't think the bar should be set two inches off the ground when setting targets for understanding anything.

 

[Shemjaza]

I can copy and paste whatever you wish from anatomy books, which will reveal purposeful design at the very least.

The phrase "copy and paste whatever you wish from anatomy books" certainly supports my description of you vaguely waving your hand at the content.

The important thing is that you can't express why it is designed. You feel it, sure, but that's not an argument.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, without analysis or ironically some critical thinking a gut feeling is indistinguishable from wishful thinking or fantasy.

You apparently don't study anatomy.

 

[VirOptimus]

You apparently don't study anatomy.

What education do you have in anatomy? Written any papers? Any degrees?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I have no difficulty whatsoever condemning believers in evolution who don't understand it alongside non-believers in evolution who don't understand it. Slovenly thinking, closed minds, laziness, lack of motivation, etc. Lots of reasons why it isn't understood. Few, if any of them are good ones.

Elitist? No, I just don't think the bar should be set two inches off the ground when setting targets for understanding anything.

Elitist, yes. You guys tout the widespread and growing belief in evolution and joyfully observe the decline in belief of creation, but your 'believers' are wholly ignorant of the theory itself. It's a hollow victory, I'd say.