Some questions for Christians who accept evolution

[joshua 1 9]

Bishop Usher was a theologian, not a historian. Can you name a serious historical source that gives any credence to the notion of Adam and Eve were actual individuals.

There is a lot more in the genealogy than just Adam and they all have a story. You should read Bishop Ushers book and then you maybe more qualified to comment on it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

By which time humans had been smelting copper for several thousand years and the Sumerians and Babylonians had already invented beer, the wheel, irrigation and writing.

Copper and beer could go back before Adam. The wheel, irrigation and writing were after Adam. They have baskets with grains and grinding wheels that go back 20,000 years. The clay pots go back maybe around 10,000 years. This was the first beer after the discovery of clay posts to store the grains in. Artifacts like fishing hook, sowing needles and fishing nets go back around 40,000 years before Adam and Eve. This was when modern man first came out of Africa and moved into the eco system that Neanderthals had lived in before them.

 

[Gene2memE]

There is a lot more in the genealogy than just Adam and they all have a story. You should read Bishop Ushers book and then you maybe more qualified to comment on it.

I'll take that as a no then?

 

[Colter]

So is it your view, then, that Adam was taken as the archtype for all men from among the men that had evolved?

I believe life was created and planted on the earth once the 4.8 +/- billion year old earth reached a stage that could sustain life some 550,000,000 years ago, that inherent in those primitive forms of life was a purposive evolution, the plans of the creator. Adam and Eve were incarnate celestial beings who came to this earth long after in had fallen due to the sin of our trusted celestial administrator Lucifer, his assistant Satan and our resident "prince of this world"---> aka "the crafty beast".

Tragically, for the second time a default occurred as the beast was able to out flank Eve then Adam decided to sin himself and share Eves fate. However in the case of Adam and Eve they repented of their mistake whereas Lucifer and the others did NOT repent and continued n the insurrection against the rule of the unseen Father by way of his creator Son whom we have to to have faith in as Christ.

I am a student of the Urantia revelation of the 20th century that has vastly expanded our understanding of these past transactions as well as a great deal more.

 

[Colter]

They may have been around for a million years but something happened 6,000 years ago at the time of Adam and Eve in the Bible. For one thing this was a beginning of written language and recorded history.

True, the fall of Adam and Eve was a very significant event in history, but there was a lot that happened before Adam and Eve materialized on our earth. The authors of Genesis didn't have access to that history, they assumed A & E were the first humans and that all life was created at once.

 

[Astrophile]

All the plants and animals spread from the Tigris Euphrates river valley to the entire world or bio sphere. There are experts with PhDs in Botany at the Universities in Jerusalem that have written books about the domestication of the wild plants and animals in that middle east ecosystem that the Bible calls Eden.

Maize? Tomatoes? Potatoes? Tobacco? Rubber trees?

 

[Astrophile]

Explain the concordance between the following then:
Tree-ring dating;
Ice core dating;
Carbon dating;
Archeomagnetic dating;
Electron spin resonance dating.

And then explain the existence of coal, oil and natural gas.

You could add varved sediments (sometimes by the tens of millions), marine magnetic anomalies, and rhythmic sedimentation on the time-scales of the variations in the Earth's orbit (21,000 to 100,000 years).

 

[joshua 1 9]

Maize? Tomatoes? Potatoes? Tobacco? Rubber trees?

Yes these were not in the Eden we find in the middle east. That is why Eden in the Bible could not have been the whole bio sphere. We know now that there were / are MANY Eden and the Eden in the Bible was just one of many. It is a shadow and a type, and it represents all the other Edens on our planet. At least that is the best explanation I can come up with. Of course just like science when more evidence becomes available then we can come up with a better explanation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

True, the fall of Adam and Eve was a very significant event in history, but there was a lot that happened before Adam and Eve materialized on our earth. The authors of Genesis didn't have access to that history, they assumed A & E were the first humans and that all life was created at once.

The disciples were very surprised that the gentiles, the non Jewish people were receiving salvation. The Bible is a book of the Hebrew nation, written by the Children of Isreal, for them. The amazing thing is that people thought it was universal. It takes the theory of Evolution to show us what God's real purpose and intention was and is.

It is through Adam and Eve and therefore through their descendant Jesus that salvation comes to the whole world. Even today people are having trouble understanding. People come here with Phd in Science yet they can not understand a Bible that is so simple that a child can understand.

2cor4:3 niv "And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing."

To perish means to suffer ruin or destruction. That is why I am not a universalist. Everyone can be saved. Whosoever that is willing let them come. But it is up to each and every individual if they want to be reconciled or not. Mankind has become fragmented. Its up to each person if they want to be restored and reunited. We have freedom and choice to decide.

1pet2:5 "you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

If people want to be restored then they need to take their priesthood serious and live Holy before God.

Heb 11:14 "Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord."

 

[Colter]

The disciples were very surprised that the gentiles, the non Jewish people were receiving salvation. The Bible is a book of the Hebrew nation, written by the Children of Isreal, for them. The amazing thing is that people thought it was universal. It takes the theory of Evolution to show us what God's real purpose and intention was and is.

It is through Adam and Eve and therefore through their descendant Jesus that salvation comes to the whole world. Even today people are having trouble understanding. People come here with Phd in Science yet they can not understand a Bible that is so simple that a child can understand.

2cor4:3 niv "And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing."

To perish means to suffer ruin or destruction. That is why I am not a universalist. Everyone can be saved. Whosoever that is willing let them come. But it is up to each and every individual if they want to be reconciled or not. Mankind has become fragmented. Its up to each person if they want to be restored and reunited. We have freedom and choice to decide.

1pet2:5 "you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

If people want to be restored then they need to take their priesthood serious and live Holy before God.

Heb 11:14 "Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord."

"written by the Children of Israel, for them." That is true, that is why it is so biased and has contaminated the Liberal gospel of Jesus. Salvation is by faith for anyone anywhere.

The early converts to the Jesus movement were Jewish so naturally they tried to force Jesus onto the line of Judaism.

 

[joshua 1 9]

"written by the Children of Israel, for them." That is true, that is why it is so biased and has contaminated the Liberal gospel of Jesus. Salvation is by faith for anyone anywhere.

The early converts to the Jesus movement were Jewish so naturally they tried to force Jesus onto the line of Judaism.

Paul Opposes Cephas
Gal 2:11 When Cephascame to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

 

[bhsmte]

There is plenty of evidence that they lived when the Bible says they lived where the Bible says they lived. You have put zip, zero, zilch effort into a study of the subject and I have spent years to study the evidence. Even I am only beginning to scratch the surface of all the vast scientific evidence that is available to us.

The Bible as history has been tested, tried and proven to be true. If you want to disregard it that is up to you. I only thought you were interested in learning, but I guess not.

Yes, you have spent years using confirmation bias to solidify your faith belief. You have presented zero objective evidence to support your claim, none.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Yes, you have spent years using confirmation bias to solidify your faith belief. You have presented zero objective evidence to support your claim, none.

Science helps us to better understand the Bible. Perhaps it is evolutionists that have confirmation bias when the evidence does not support their theory. Our Bible is already perfected where evolutionary theory is in the process of being perfected.

 

[bhsmte]

Science helps us to better understand the Bible. Perhaps it is evolutionists that have confirmation bias when the evidence does not support their theory. Our Bible is already perfected where evolutionary theory is in the process of being perfected.

The bible is perfected with what objective evidence?

 

[Loudmouth]

They were the first man and women on earth. There may have been male and female before Adam and Eve but Eve was the first women. If you do not understand the difference between a female and a women try looking in the dictionary. The biggest distinction being a female can be any age but a women is grown up and no longer a child. Also a male and female can be any animal. A man and women can only be human. Meaning they have a quality that makes them different from the animals.

All species of animal have qualities that make them different from all other species of animals.

 

[Loudmouth]

There is plenty of evidence that they lived when the Bible says they lived where the Bible says they lived.

Such as?

If I read in a Harry Potter book that Harry lived in London, does finding the city of London mean that Harry Potter was real?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Such as?

If I read in a Harry Potter book that Harry lived in London, does finding the city of London mean that Harry Potter was real?

You really think this statement has any merit at all?

 

[bhsmte]

You really think this statement has any merit at all?

About as much merit as; it is in the bible, so it must be true.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The bible is perfected with what objective evidence?

The original Bible is perfect because it is inspired by God. Clearly this is not something man can do apart from God. The Hebrew people did a very good job of passing the Bible from generation to generation, still there maybe small translations errors. My wife worked a double last night and now she wants to get stuff done today.

 

[bhsmte]

The original Bible is perfect because it is inspired by God. Clearly this is not something man can do apart from God. The Hebrew people did a very good job of passing the Bible from generation to generation, still there maybe small translations errors. My wife worked a double last night and now she wants to get stuff done today.

What is your evidence that it was inspired by a God?