Some questions for Christians who accept evolution

[justlookinla]

The evolution you admit has happened is itself evidence for Darwinism.

Not at all. Bacteria evolving into bacteria isn't the same as an unknown life form evolving into both a coconut tree and elephant.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

It's not that complicated, men and women have been on the earth for a million years. Adam and Eve incarnate long after man evolved.

So is it your view, then, that Adam was taken as the archtype for all men from among the men that had evolved?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Not at all. Bacteria evolving into bacteria isn't the same as an unknown life form evolving into both a coconut tree and elephant.

Ah, but that's not my statement. My statement is that the evolution you admit is evidence for Darwinian evolution. It may not be enough evidence for the whole thing, but it is some evidence for the whole thing. There is, I suppose, much more evidence than the amount of evolution you agree has happened, but that doesn't stop the evolution you agree has happened from being evidence that generally favors, rather than opposes, evolution in general.

 

[justlookinla]

Ah, but that's not my statement. My statement is that the evolution you admit is evidence for Darwinian evolution.

No, it's not. The evidence of bacteria evolving into bacteria isn't evidence for a life form to evolve into both a coconut tree and elephant.

It may not be enough evidence for the whole thing, but it is some evidence for the whole thing. There is, I suppose, much more evidence than the amount of evolution you agree has happened, but that doesn't stop the evolution you agree has happened from being evidence that generally favors, rather than opposes, evolution in general.

The fact remains....there's absolutely no evidence for the particular evolutionary view of Darwinist evolution.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It's not that complicated, men and women have been on the earth for a million years. Adam and Eve incarnate long after man evolved.

They may have been around for a million years but something happened 6,000 years ago at the time of Adam and Eve in the Bible. For one thing this was a beginning of written language and recorded history.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, it's not. The evidence of bacteria evolving into bacteria isn't evidence for a life form to evolve into both a coconut tree and elephant.

The fact remains....there's absolutely no evidence for the particular evolutionary view of Darwinist evolution.

There is compelling evidence that mitochondria and chloroplasts were once primitive bacterial cells. But science is still not 99% sure. Only they have reason to believe the evidence supports this belief. Meanwhile there seems to be some degree of faith on their part to accept the theory.

 

[bhsmte]

They may have been around for a million years but something happened 6,000 years ago at the time of Adam and Eve in the Bible. For one thing this was a beginning of written language and recorded history.

What is your evidence that Adam and Eve were real people and lived 6000 years ago?

 

[bhsmte]

There is compelling evidence that mitochondria and chloroplasts were once primitive bacterial cells. But science is still not 99% sure. Only they have reason to believe the evidence supports this belief. Meanwhile there seems to be some degree of faith on their part to accept the theory.

Do you know how a theory works? Theories are supported with facts and evidence, not faith.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What is your evidence that Adam and Eve were real people and lived 6000 years ago?

Absolutely there were real people that lived 6,000 years ago in Eden. What Science calls Mesopotamia, the Tigris / Euphrates river valley. Right now Isis just took control of that area and they have taken control over the dams on the ancient rivers. So they control the water. Some of the ancient camp sites from 6,000 years ago are still being used as camp sites today. Only by people that are refuges from some sort of a war going on over there. I like to look at the vacation photos of people in that part of the world that will take their vacation to travel some of the old ancient roads. Adam and Eve in the Bible are very much a part of recorded history. Bishop Ushers book makes that very clear.

 

[bhsmte]

Absolutely there were real people that lived 6,000 years ago in Eden. What Science calls Mesopotamia, the Tigris / Euphrates river valley. Right now Isis just took control of that area and they have taken control over the dams on the ancient rivers. So they control the water. Some of the ancient camp sites from 6,000 years ago are still being used as camp sites today. Only by people that are refuges from some sort of a war going on over there. I like to look at the vacation photos of people in that part of the world that will take their vacation to travel some of the old ancient roads. Adam and Eve in the Bible are very much a part of recorded history. Bishop Ushers book makes that very clear.

Help me out, I don't see how what you stated provides evidence that Adam and Eve were real people and lived 6000 years ago.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Do you know how a theory works? Theories are supported with facts and evidence, not faith.

I am sure I do not have the formal training that you have in how a theory works. It just looks to me that people have a lot of unsubstantiated faith in Science. A lot of medicine has to do with the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. Of course doctors are not scientists.

 

[bhsmte]

I am sure I do not have the formal training that you have in how a theory works. It just looks to me that people have a lot of unsubstantiated faith in Science. A lot of medicine has to do with the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. Of course doctors are not scientists.

Some doctors are scientists, like Francis Collins for example, who is an MD and a geneticist.

Most doctors who treat patients, are not scientists in the sense that they are doing work in the lab, but doctors rely HEAVILY on their training in biochemistry and physiology, in doing their work. Without the knowledge of the same, they wouldn't be doctors.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Help me out, I don't see how what you stated provides evidence that Adam and Eve were real people and lived 6000 years ago.

Ok, you know that Eden was an Eco system. Only it was / is an ecosystem that became domesticated. All the plants and animals spread from the Tigris Euphrates river valley to the entire world or bio sphere. There are experts with Phds in Botany at the Universities in Jerusalem that have written books about the domestication of the wild plants and animals in that middle east ecosystem that the Bible calls Eden. The Bible also talks about all the plants and animals from that part of the world. Adam and Eve we read about in the Bible and we read about them in Bishop Ushers book written in the 1600's. The Bishop had a lot of books available to him that are no longer in existence now. No reason to preserve them because the information is in the Bishops book. The originals for genealogies in the Bible were destroyed when the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. Paul in the bible said there was a lot of contentions surrounding them even 2000 years ago. He said: Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless."

I have spent many hours to study the genealogies that you seem to know nothing about. They go from Adam to Abraham to David to Jesus. All in a span of exactly 4,000 years. Adam and Eve lived almost 6,000 years ago. Moses transcribed the story of Adam and Eve from clay tablets to the scrolls they were using in Egypt at the time. Moses lived 1350-1250 B.C. The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today. It is from Mesopotamia and is written on tablets, in the Sumerian language c. 2100–2050 BC. Bishop Ussher, in the 17th century, calculated that the flood had taken place in 2349 BC. Of course we have clay tablets talking about Noah's flood that goes back before Moses. Then there is the Epic of Gilgamesh who was a real historical king of Uruk who seeks out his ancestor, Ut-napištim who was on Noah's ark to learn the secret of eternal life. Gilgamesh said "He who has seen everything ... even the secret knowledge before [Noah's] flood.

There of course is a lot more then just this. I happen to have a book here on my desk: "The Food Crisis in Prehistory. Overpopulation and the origins of agriculture" (Mark Nathan Cohen) Perhaps you have heard of the Cohen Modal Haplotype

 

[Gene2memE]

Adam and Eve in the Bible are very much a part of recorded history. Bishop Ushers book makes that very clear.

Bishop Usher was a theologian, not a historian. Can you name a serious historical source that gives any credence to the notion of Adam and Eve were actual individuals.

 

[bhsmte]

Ok, you know that Eden was an Eco system. Only it was / is an ecosystem that became domesticated. All the plants and animals spread from the Tigris Euphrates river valley to the entire world or bio sphere. There are experts with Phds in Botany at the Universities in Jerusalem that have written books about the domestication of the wild plants and animals in that middle east ecosystem that the Bible calls Eden. The Bible also talks about all the plants and animals from that part of the world. Adam and Eve we read about in the Bible and we read about them in Bishop Ushers book written in the 1600's. The Bishop had a lot of books available to him that are no longer in existence now. No reason to preserve them because the information is in the Bishops book. The originals for genealogies in the Bible were destroyed when the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. Paul in the bible said there was a lot of contentions surrounding them even 2000 years ago. He said: Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless."

I have spent many hours to study the genealogies that you seem to know nothing about. They go from Adam to Abraham to David to Jesus. All in a span of exactly 4,000 years. Adam and Eve lived almost 6,000 years ago. Moses transcribed the story of Adam and Eve from clay tablets to the scrolls they were using in Egypt at the time. Moses lived 1350-1250 B.C. The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today. It is from Mesopotamia and is written on tablets, in the Sumerian language c. 2100–2050 BC. Bishop Ussher, in the 17th century, calculated that the flood had taken place in 2349 BC. Of course we have clay tablets talking about Noah's flood that goes back before Moses. Then there is the Epic of Gilgamesh who was a real historical king of Uruk who seeks out his ancestor, Ut-napištim who was on Noah's ark to learn the secret of eternal life. Gilgamesh said "He who has seen everything ... even the secret knowledge before [Noah's] flood.

There of course is a lot more then just this. I happen to have a book here on my desk: The Food Drisis in Prehistory. Overpopulation and the origins of agriculture (Mark Nathan Cohen) Perhaps you have heard of the Cohen Modal Haplotype

No scientific evidence to show Adam and Eve were real historical figures.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpres...doff-between-science-and-faith-and-a-contest/

 

[pat34lee]

Help me out, I don't see how what you stated provides evidence that Adam and Eve were real people and lived 6000 years ago.

How about the fact that there was no 'millions of years ago' to go back to? At best, nothing can be proven back beyond about ten to fifteen thousand years. Everything claiming to be older is pure fiction backed by bad science with an agenda to prove.
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/05agee6.htm
http://www.ptgbook.org/evolutionisfaith.htm

 

[bhsmte]

How about the fact that there was no 'millions of years ago' to go back to? At best, nothing can be proven back beyond about ten to fifteen thousand years. Everything claiming to be older is pure fiction backed by bad science with an agenda to prove.
http://www.ptgbook.org/evolutionisfaith.htm

The evidence would disagree with you, but I understand you need to believe what you do.

 

[Gene2memE]

Adam and Eve lived almost 6,000 years ago.

By which time humans had been smelting copper for several thousand years and the Sumerians and Babylonians had already invented beer, the wheel, irrigation and writing.

The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today. It is from Mesopotamia and is written on tablets, in the Sumerian language c. 2100–2050 BC.

Minor quibble. The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest law code we have surviving copies of. There are older known legal codes - both the Urukagina codes and the cuneiform codes are several hundred years older, but all we have are indirect references to them in other ancient texts.

 

[Gene2memE]

How about the fact that there was no 'millions of years ago' to go back to? At best, nothing can be proven back beyond about ten to fifteen thousand years. Everything claiming to be older is pure fiction backed by bad science with an agenda to prove.
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/05agee6.htm
http://www.ptgbook.org/evolutionisfaith.htm

Explain the concordance between the following then:
Tree-ring dating;
Ice core dating;
Carbon dating;
Archeomagnetic dating;
Electron spin resonance dating.

And then explain the existence of coal, oil and natural gas.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No scientific evidence to show Adam and Eve were real historical figures.https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpres...doff-between-science-and-faith-and-a-contest/

There is plenty of evidence that they lived when the Bible says they lived where the Bible says they lived. You have put zip, zero, zilch effort into a study of the subject and I have spent years to study the evidence. Even I am only beginning to scratch the surface of all the vast scientific evidence that is available to us.

The Bible as history has been tested, tried and proven to be true. If you want to disregard it that is up to you. I only thought you were interested in learning, but I guess not.