Some questions for Christians who accept evolution

[Colter]

If that's true then God is going to very lonely indeed, all he will have around him will be billions and billions of babies.

There is much more after this world before we make our way inward to the Father.

 

[pat34lee]

Explain the concordance between the following then:
Tree-ring dating;
Ice core dating;
Carbon dating;
Archeomagnetic dating;
Electron spin resonance dating.

And then explain the existence of coal, oil and natural gas.

No dating method other than observing and counting years is error-free. Trees can grow several rings in a good year, and ice can grow rings in hours or days during a snowstorm.

Coal, oil and natural gas are the simplest. Put any carbon-based matter under enough pressure and high heat and you have almost instant "fossil fuel". The problem with oil and gas is that if you wait too long, the pressure finds ways to leak out. How is it that practically all oil and natural gas fields are under high pressure?

 

[Davian]

No, I don't believe in Zeus. God looks into the heart and determines mans desires by his true motives.

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[Jan Volkes]

There is much more after this world before we make our way inward to the Father.

No there is only death but please don't let that bother you, feel free to believe whatever you want.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No dating method other than observing and counting years is error-free. Trees can grow several rings in a good year, and ice can grow rings in hours or days during a snowstorm.

I have never heard of "several rings in a year". Two yes, several no. They are also rather rare. Hail may grown "rings in hours" but not ice layers. Ice layers also are corroborated by radiometric dating of ash layers. You have offered a lame excuse with no evidence.

Coal, oil and natural gas are the simplest. Put any carbon-based matter under enough pressure and high heat and you have almost instant "fossil fuel".

Yes, but it is still significantly different the observed fossil fuels. Nor does this nonsense explain why we find oil producing strata in only very

The problem with oil and gas is that if you wait too long, the pressure finds ways to leak out. How is it that practically all oil and natural gas fields are under high pressure?

Oil and gas only leak if there is a way for them to leak. There is a reason that they pay geophysicists to find oil and gas traps.

 

[Colter]

No there is only death but please don't let that bother you, feel free to believe whatever you want.

The doctrines of doubt weren't bothering me to begin with and I already knew I was free from Lucifer's meme of godlessness.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, I don't believe in Zeus.

Why do you choose to live in rebellion against Zeus? What will you say when you stand before Zeus to be judged?

 

[Not_By_Chance]

No there is only death but please don't let that bother you, feel free to believe whatever you want.

You missed out the words "I believe" between "No" and "there." Don't let that bother you, feel free to believe whatever you want.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

We do most everything just like all the other mammals except some people think we don't die like them, they die but we don't,
how strange is that?

Not strange. That's God's promise to His believers.

 

[Tellastory]

NBC - yep, all fair questions. Here are some answers from me - other Christians may have different ideas.

Minor quibble - "a straightforward reading of the biblical account....". I'd say "a literalistic reading of a clearly poetic passage....."

Referencing a story doesn't mean that the story was literally true. Jesus referenced the story of the good Samaritan, which is obviously a parable that didn't have to have actually happened. ...... As humans, we reference stories that make our points - just as Jesus did - and we know that everyone is smart enough not to think that we are claiming those stories to be literally true.

Jesus validated the scripture which cannot be broken to put the religious Jews on the spot.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

So although you may use the parables of Jesus as being just a story to make a point, not everything Jesus said was just a story. Remember that the parables are not found in the O.T. to consider scripture as something as just a story in making a point.

Consider Jesus's warning about a coming fiery judgment on ungodly men on this world by referencing Noah and the global flood & the necessity to leave when the Bridegroom comes at the pre trib rapture event.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Now if those were just "stories", then Jesus was giving a poor reason to heed His warnings from what is coming.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Now, how can you take Jesus's words of warning in being ready to leave if you think that Noah & the global flood really did not happened, but was just a story?

How can anyone not make like Lot's wife in desiring not to depart because of prior commitments or cares of this life to attend the Marriage Supper?

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

This is what happens when believers make like Lot's wife in not desiring to be ready to depart at any moment because of loved ones or the cares of this life or religious commitments.

So you may want to reconsider with His help in discerning parables as stories making a point and references in the O.T. as legitmate reasons in taking His warnings seriously.

I know that Miley Cyrus likes to equate Noah with Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny, but Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny are not in the Bible at all, but Noah is and validated by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Since Jesus also validated the first marriage of the first man & the first woman created to reprove divorce, then citing that God created the sabbath day for man is an actual event to reprove the notion that man was created for the sabbath day as if the sabbath day was "lord" over man.

So no. Any references by Jesus to the O.T. is not citing just a story. It is about the truth of God's words and the reality of the world we live in to counter false teachings.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

The evolution theory is a false science, and since gradual macro evolution is out & rapid macro evolution is in, but still in the process of beong "proven", then that should be more than enough evidence that evolution theory is just a story that changes with the times, and hardly the truth at all.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

 

[justlookinla]

Why do you choose to live in rebellion against Zeus? What will you say when you stand before Zeus to be judged?

Why are you mocking God instead of staying on the topic of creation and evolution? Why bring apologetics into the forum?

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[justlookinla]

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[Colter]

This is an example of how some Atheist actually do have a God concept, they just disagree with the way God has designed life. They want God to distort freedom and reality, make exceptions for the hard facts of existence. For instance, God should make it so no one gets sick until the age 21, because we hate to see our children suffer. Or no one gets in a car crash until a certain age because it's awful to loose a family member. Or, no child can die before their parents because it's so heart wrenching and unfair to loose a child. Or, God shouldn't make it hurt when we slam our hand in the car door because that hurts like [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and it's unfair! No, what atheist like this man want is an unreal, artificial world, the same world that they accuse religious people of living in. The religion of Jesus faces life head on instead of wishing for an artificial world.

Why do you choose to live in rebellion against Zeus? What will you say when you stand before Zeus to be judged?

My concept of God isn't Zeus, as I said, God looks into mans heart and judges by his true intentions and motives, not the ignorance of his finite limitations.

 

[Loudmouth]

This is an example of how some Atheist actually do have a God concept, they just disagree with the way God has designed life.

We don't disagree with evolution, the process by which life has been designed. It is groups of theists who have problems with how God did it.

My concept of God isn't Zeus, as I said, God looks into mans heart and judges by his true intentions and motives, not the ignorance of his finite limitations.

My concept of God isn't your god. Making claims about what God doesn't or does do means as much to me as when I tell you what Zeus doesn't or does do. Making grand pronouncements in front of the choir may get lots of cheers, but you should realize that it rings very hollow outside of the church.

 

[Colter]

We don't disagree with evolution, the process by which life has been designed. It is groups of theists who have problems with how God did it.



My concept of God isn't your god. Making claims about what God doesn't or does do means as much to me as when I tell you what Zeus doesn't or does do. Making grand pronouncements in front of the choir may get lots of cheers, but you should realize that it rings very hollow outside of the church.

You don't need to be a jerk about it. You asked me a question I answered it. I won't waste my time again.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I have some questions for Christians who have accepted the theory of evolution as being the truth, rather than a straightforward reading of the biblical account of creation...

• If the Genesis account of creation isn’t true, what do you make of the following part of the ten commandments?

Exo 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labour and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

• When did sin come into God’s creation and how does that relate to death and suffering in the world?
  
  
• If death came before sin then it wasn’t the penalty for sin. So, if there wasn’t a literal Adam who brought sin and death to God’s creation, then what was the purpose of Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross?
  
  
• In Mark 10:6, Jesus says this, "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female.” So here we have God incarnate telling us directly that mankind was right there at the beginning of creation. How do you reconcile that with the evolutionary idea of billions of years?
  
  
• The evolutionists have various hypotheses for the ultimate fate of the universe. Which one do you accept as the most likely, or is the second coming of Jesus a part of the Bible that you still accept as being the truth?

Evolution is true, so it is necessary to interpret the bible to be consistent with evolution. It is just like other apparent contradictions in the Bible, the Bible is merely re-interpreted to remove the inconsistencies. It is a skill all who hold the Bible to be inerrant must use. So use that skill!

- The "yoms" of Genesis One are referencing epochs, sorted not by literal sequence, but by subject. That takes care of all the disagreements with actual science.

- Adam was an archtype of all men, the first of our species to have a soul. His date is unknown. He was isolated in the Garden of Eden, Eve taken from his rib.

- The second coming of Jesus will be very significant to us humans but it is only going to affect this planet, not the whole universe.

 

[James Is Back]

Thread closed permanently since you guys didn't listen to the Mod Hat above. Because you guys continued with the General Apologetic and flaming posts this thread will now be closed for good.

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