Some honest answers please...

[fantascey]

It is about Love too, that is one of the harder parts and forgiving our enemies. The worst kind of enemies. Sometimes we need to ask the Lord for help to do that. You, we, me are here for a reason to love and to learn. Your life and where and how You spend eternity is more important than how long time it took for the world to become what it is today. Heaven and God is real and I suppose the rest is too. So if we are wise we should get to understand how the Lord thinks and reasons by reading His word.

I do agree that it is also about love, however. I do not think that reading the bible means we will ever understand the reasoning or thinking of God. He is too much for us to even grasp in my opinion. The bible was written for us so that we could understand what he had done for us, and use that information accordingly. That doesn't mean it gives insight into the mind of God by any means. It is not for us to know Gods' plan. Isaiah 55:8 says this: For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
and your ways are not My ways.
This is the Lord’s declaration.
(HCSB)

 

[fantascey]

But since we are discussing the Old Testament do you believe the Noah's Ark story? You do know that there never was a worldwide flood, don't you?

I am over my time here, we will have to pick this up monday. However, that depends on your view of the world wide flood doesn't it? bye for now!

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have heard the theory of that the flood did not happen, I have learned the evolutiontheory in school and know I am more of a creative person. If I come around as dishonest here is one little painting of proof as I did as a kid. I saw a painting and painted a similar at 11-12 years old something. If I am ignorant, sorry but the topic is not of so much interest for me as it is for You perhaps. I do not call You rude and dishonest, ignorant and unwilling to learn because You might not like kids art either. Now is bedtime in my part of the world. Keep focus on what matters. View attachment 203754

That is fine. And I am direct, not rude. There is a difference.

By the way, to call it a "theory" is not correct. It is simply an observation.

 

[klutedavid]

I'll ask you what I've asked others. Nobody has ever been able to answer it. How does relatively low ground with easy run-off to the sea have a flood of Biblical proportions with it remaining localized? A local flood requires barriers and there are none in the Middle East. Long before a single mountain was threatened the water would run off to the sea and at that point any further flooding could only flood at seal level. For the water to be deep enough to cover one mountain it would be a global event.

Hello KWCrazy.

What you have said is correct, though there are flood accounts in other cultures also.

Here is an article I read recently.

Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard

"The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.

According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.

Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.

"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."

Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred. (abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story)

Was that the flood that the early Genesis account was referring to?

 

[AV1611VET]

Try again.

Sure.

The string of errors were yours.

WAS yours ... not WERE yours.

File it with Post 219.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure.

WAS yours ... not WERE yours.

File it with Post 219.

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Sure.

WAS yours ... not WERE yours.

File it with Post 219.

Oh my! Minor grammar error negated by your much larger one.

Try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Oh my! Minor grammar error negated by your much larger one.

Try again.

Well, you know the old saying:

Be careful what you ask for ... you just might get it.

(And yes. It s/b Post 291.)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, you know the old saying:

Be careful what you ask for ... you just might get it.

(And yes. It s/b Post 291.)

Nope, you screwed up. If you want to discuss your errors that is fine with me.

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hello KWCrazy.

What you have said is correct, though there are flood accounts in other cultures also.

Here is an article I read recently.

Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard

"The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.

According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.

Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.

"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."

Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred. (abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story)

Was that the flood that the early Genesis account was referring to?

Though there was a Black Sea flood, it probably was not the flood that inspired the Ark myth. First off it never drained, the water is still there. Second, the flood advanced very slowly. A person could easily have outwalked it. The problem is that houses don't walk. The villages on the old sea shore are still there. Covered by the water of the sea as it advanced. It was catastrophic for the people that lived there because they lost their homes. But it would not have been a scary "We're all gonna die!!" flood.

 

[Dirk1540]

What's a bus kid?

Hahaha I said the same exact thing out loud.

 

[klutedavid]

Though there was a Black Sea flood, it probably was not the flood that inspired the Ark myth. First off it never drained, the water is still there. Second, the flood advanced very slowly. A person could easily have outwalked it. The problem is that houses don't walk. The villages on the old sea shore are still there. Covered by the water of the sea as it advanced. It was catastrophic for the people that lived there because they lost their homes. But it would not have been a scary "We're all gonna die!!" flood.

Hello SZ.

What happens if the event above combined with a very large rain event?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hello SZ.

What happens if the event above combined with a very large rain event?

It would get wetter faster, but not very much.

Why?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is an article on the likely culprit that inspired the Noah's Ark story (well actually it would have inspired the older stories that the Hebrews adapted for their own beliefs):

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | NCSE

 

[AV1611VET]

Here is an article on the likely culprit that inspired the Noah's Ark story (well actually it would have inspired the older stories that the Hebrews adapted for their own beliefs):

I'm still looking for someone to tell me where the Ark was built.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm still looking for someone to tell me where the Ark was built.

First off it wasn't. So your question is rather pointless.

Second, the Bible does not tell you where this supposedly happened. We know what your interpretation is, but that is baseless.

 

[AV1611VET]

First off it wasn't.

Okay ... I'll humor you.

It wasn't.

But where wasn't it built?

Don't you claim there were multiple myths written about it?

If you're such an expert on mythology, I'm sure you can tell me which myth mentions where the Ark was built.

Or ... just by coincidence ... of all these myths floating around ... not one single one happens to mention its point of origin!?

My ... how coincidental can you get, eh?

So your question is rather pointless.

Actually it brings up a very good point.

It exposes your (plural) academic accusations as thoughtless.

If this is what is taught in the halls of science, then science can go to Hell and take their halls with them.

Second, the Bible does not tell you where this supposedly happened.

And I'm getting tired of challenging you "experts" on mythology to pick an Ark myth that does tell me where it was built and tell me where it was built.

(Or do you even understand what I'm asking for?)

We know what your interpretation is, but that is baseless.

Then give me a myth that satisfies my simple question and let's get this pH content off of 0.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay ... I'll humor you.

A bad start, AV. When you are wrong you do not "humor" the person trying to help you. I will answer your questions if you can follow the title of the thread.

A little honesty please. If you are dishonest at all in your questions we will simply start over again.

 

[AV1611VET]

I will answer your questions if you can follow the title of the thread.

I don't think you even understand my [singular] question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think you even understand my [singular] question.

Ooops, major honesty fail again. I guess you are not interested in an answer.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ooops, major honesty fail again. I guess you are not interested in an answer.

It's interesting that higher academia can be so quick to say this or that is a myth, but then can't (or won't) supply any detail.