Some honest answers please...

[LewisWildermuth]

I would like to know some things from fello Christians...

Why is it that creationism vs evolution, flood vs no-flood, are concidered so important to the faith.

If you are a creationist,would you loose your faith if evolution was proven true tommorow? How would it change the way you see God?

What about you evolutionists? What if creationism was proven? Would you loose your faith? Would it change the way you see God?

What about the flood?

What if it happened?

What if it didn't?

This is not bait for an argument, I am really curious.

 

[theyre here]

Evolution is not a "faith." Creationists continue to make this mistake. If creation is proven, there is no "faith" to loose for evolutionary scientists and those who believe science.

If creation was proven, it would cause pause among scientific communities, certainly. But not for long, they'd soon be tracking down how God evolved.

 

[randman]

Evolution is a faith, and that is the whole point in the matter.

For me, if evolution were true, it wouldn't shake my faith at all. I argue about evolution because I don't see it as real science for the most part, but an alternative religion which is being erroneously passed off as science. By evolution, I am primarily speaking of atheistic evolution where any supernatural intervention is ruled out automatically.

 

[Didaskomenos]

Either way's ok with me. But then again, I guess I'm neither a "creationist" nor an "evolutionist."

Neither view invalidates the Bible, but the one you take merely indicates how you interpret it. I just want to know the Truth.

 

[tycho]

By evolution, I am primarily speaking of atheistic evolution where any supernatural intervention is ruled out automatically.

Well, here's the part where scientists say "Yep, that's how it works in science." God is out of the scope of science. Science is the study of the natural world & its phenomena. If there's a supernatural phenomena, science is unable to explain it. To gripe & moan because God's hand in setting the groundwork for the natural world to function is silly. If I were to take up a countercomplaint, I could complain that church Sunday school classes never discuss the hydrodynamics. Your response should be, "Yes, what's your point?".

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by randman
Evolution is a faith, and that is the whole point in the matter.

No, it's not "a faith", any more than Newton's Laws. Indeed, we *know* Newton's Laws are wrong, but we use them anyway because they work so much of the time.

A faith is something you choose to believe in no matter what the evidence says. Evolutionary science adapts and changes with evidence. Faith doesn't.

 

[randman]

"A faith is something you choose to believe in no matter what the evidence says."

That is a lie.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by randman
"A faith is something you choose to believe in no matter what the evidence says."

That is a lie.

Hmm. It may be a false statement, but I don't think I can be convinced that it's a lie. Thinking about it more, I do think it's an overstatement.

Still, "lie" implies some level of willful deception, which I can't find evidence for.

 

[randman]

Maybe then ignorant is a better word to describe your statement.

Faith must have evidence,at least for the Christian. There can be times when you choose to believe despite contrary evidence, but that is due to still believing that your prior evidence trumps the way something might appear.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by randman

Faith must have evidence,at least for the Christian. There can be times when you choose to believe despite contrary evidence, but that is due to still believing that your prior evidence trumps the way something might appear.

I would point out that whether or not faith has, can have, or should have evidence is not a universally agreed upon tenet of Christianity. I got here through evidence and reason; other people get here through faith. I happen to disagree with the writers who have claimed that seeking evidence drives people from true faith, but they existed, and they had faith too.

 

[randman]

There has to be some evidence if nothing else but the belief that whoever taught them was correct.

 

[chickenman]

You know what, if creation was proved scientifically, and it could explain the evidence better than evolution, then I wouldn't have a problem. The problem I have with creation at the moment is that there is very little science to it

 

[LouisBooth]

umm..I think the majority of evolutionists would have a problem with anything other then evolution regardless of evidence

 

[Jerry Smith]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
umm..I think the majority of evolutionists would have a problem with anything other then evolution regardless of evidence

You think like Nelly.

 

[LouisBooth]

Umm..who is nelly? but whatever. Have you ever studied the paraidyme shifts in science history? eww....That's where I get my reasoning from, check em out.

 

[Jerry Smith]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
Umm..who is nelly? but whatever. Have you ever studied the paraidyme shifts in science history? eww....That's where I get my reasoning from, check em out.

Paradigm shifts are the inevitable result of the self-correcting processes of science. You know.. peer review, falsification, that kind of thing. Take your reasoning, use it to falsify evolution, and I will tell my grand-kids about how I once debated a future Nobel Prize winner.

 

[Jerry Smith]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
Umm..who is nelly?

Sorry, Smith family history....

 

[BigJon]

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
I would like to know some things from fello Christians...

Why is it that creationism vs evolution, flood vs no-flood, are concidered so important to the faith.

If you are a creationist,would you loose your faith if evolution was proven true tommorow? How would it change the way you see God?

What about you evolutionists? What if creationism was proven? Would you loose your faith? Would it change the way you see God?

What about the flood?

What if it happened?

What if it didn't?

This is not bait for an argument, I am really curious.

The reason for the importance is because evolution deletes God from the picture, wether people will admit it or not. There are so many people out there are so wishy washy it isnt funny, they dont want to choose one way or the other, they want to strandle the fence. Evolution is not science, it is a belief system, therefor making it a religion. Evolution was first concepted as a way to get rid of God, now of course no body will admit to it, they wont admit there is a right and a wrong, they want to merge everything together and make everyone right in there own way, well sorry, evolution is wrong, God created the earth in 6 days. There was a flood and it killed everything excluding 2 of every creature and 8 people. Now wether to believe it or not is up to everyone to choose, but to throw something so stupid as evolution in with God to mix and match to suit your likes is sickening.

Also...

Evolution is against God and his word, so calling yourself a christain and then saying I believe in evolution you have only negated the preceeding statement.

 

[randman]

"You know what, if creation was proved scientifically, and it could explain the evidence better than evolution, then I wouldn't have a problem. The problem I have with creation at the moment is that there is very little science to it"

Science is limited by technology. It is thus a pretty poor basis for a belief system, and I suspect you believe all sorts of things without the aid of science. Evolution is one of them. You believed probably due to being taught at a young age it was true.

Do you have beliefs about right and wrong? They were not formed by science. Science is too limited for many endeavors of our personal journey in life. It is useful, but quite absurd to doubt something based on a lack of scientific data when science lacks the means and technology to assess that area of life.

 

[chickenman]

first, to randman - I had absolutely no view on evolution at all until I went to university and did some universisty level biology - I believe in evolution on the basis of the scientific evidence I have seen for evolution - especially in the bioinformatics courses I have done. Science to me provides a much more reliable view of natural processes than some words in a book that was written over 200o years ago without the benefit of any of the "technology" which supposedly limits us. Improvements in technology have only strengthened the theory of evolution.