Some Americans will get their student loans canceled in February as Biden accelerates his new plan

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The accelerated forgiveness drew fire from Republicans, who called it an attempt to win voters ahead of the 2024 presidential election. North Carolina Republican Rep. Virginia Foxx, chairwoman of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, said it will “dump even more kerosene on an already raging student debt fire.”

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The accelerated forgiveness drew fire from Republicans, who called it an attempt to win voters ahead of the 2024 presidential election. North Carolina Republican Rep. Virginia Foxx, chairwoman of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, said it will “dump even more kerosene on an already raging student debt fire.”

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These plans appear to be a fair way to end crippling student debt for those who qualify.
 
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The accelerated forgiveness drew fire from Republicans, who called it an attempt to win voters ahead of the 2024 presidential election.

Government doing things quickly and efficiently tends to attract voters.


North Carolina Republican Rep. Virginia Foxx, chairwoman of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, said it will “dump even more kerosene on an already raging student debt fire.”

According to the article, the only ones getting this benefit are people who've made at least 10 years of payments. That'd be a heck of a gamble for somebody to make now.

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Oh, is it now bad for a president to try to circumvent other branches of government? That's not the impression I've gotten from the Jan6/Stop the Steal threads.
 
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Excellent news.

While it's still a long way from the level of help that the student loan crisis needs (thanks to Republicans suddenly deciding they didn't like the 2003 HEROS Act they all voted for), it's still another step.
Here is the deal when you take out a loan you are expected to pay it back it is that simple. Now, if you are dealing with basically "private money" meaning a PERSON loans you the money then they may forgive it if they so choose, HOWEVER the government does not have its own money and thus cannot just "forgive" debt. You took it out be a grown person and pay it back. What do those same people suppose will happen if they take out a loan for a car fail to pay it back well you lose your car same goes for if you take out a loan for a house and cannot come up with the money you lose your house (how quickly that can legally happen depends on the state). and then have awful credit that make buying or even renting again VERY hard for a number of years. It is not that hard you take out a LOAN you pay it back
 
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Here is the deal when you take out a loan you are expected to pay it back it is that simple. Now, if you are dealing with basically "private money" meaning a PERSON loans you the money then they may forgive it if they so choose, HOWEVER the government does not have its own money and thus cannot just "forgive" debt. You took it out be a grown person and pay it back. What do those same people suppose will happen if they take out a loan for a car fail to pay it back well you lose your car same goes for if you take out a loan for a house and cannot come up with the money you lose your house (how quickly that can legally happen depends on the state). and then have awful credit that make buying or even renting again VERY hard for a number of years. It is not that hard you take out a LOAN you pay it back
These are adults, true, but very young adults, teenagers even, when they start taking out these loans. They feel pressure to take the money to finance an education that teachers, parents and prospective companies have told them- repeatedly- is a requirement for success. Don’t worry, you’ll easily pay it back with your well paid job after graduation.

Reality has proven that they bought a lie that has saddled them with debt that can be nearly impossible to pay off with average salaries. They make payments that they can afford but the interest compounds at a faster rate causing the balance to increase despite years, even decades of payments. Allowing the loans to be forgiven after paying, faithfully, for a minimum number of years and or a minimum amount of the loan is not only compassionate but good for our economy. Entire generations who can’t afford to get their own housing, start families, and generally contribute to our spending economy the way their parents and grandparents did is a huge negative.

But if wagging a finger at them, saying your problem, not mine, makes anyone feel better, well enjoy that I guess.
 
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Here is the deal when you take out a loan you are expected to pay it back it is that simple. Now, if you are dealing with basically "private money" meaning a PERSON loans you the money then they may forgive it if they so choose, HOWEVER the government does not have its own money and thus cannot just "forgive" debt. You took it out be a grown person and pay it back. What do those same people suppose will happen if they take out a loan for a car fail to pay it back well you lose your car same goes for if you take out a loan for a house and cannot come up with the money you lose your house (how quickly that can legally happen depends on the state). and then have awful credit that make buying or even renting again VERY hard for a number of years. It is not that hard you take out a LOAN you pay it back
The government can absolutely forgive debt, it works exactly like every other debt. The government not being a "person" doesn't mean they can't forgive debt.

Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) has existed since the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007 (CCRAA).
PLUS Loans are forgiven if the parent or guardian of the student that co-signed the loan dies or is permanently disabled - This happened to one of my parents, and it resulted in my PLUS loans being forgiven.

There's a whole laundry list of ways a student loan can be forgiven.

It's not like loans with the government are just magically "unforgivable".
The vast majority of PPP Loans were forgiven

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(This is from the SBA's 2022 PPP forgiveness report)

You don't need to pretend like government loans are somehow unable to be forgiven. If your position is "students shouldn't get loan forgiveness", then fine, you can have that view. But don't lie about government loans being somehow impossible to forgive.
 
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These are adults, true, but very young adults, teenagers even, when they start taking out these loans. They feel pressure to take the money to finance an education that teachers, parents and prospective companies have told them- repeatedly- is a requirement for success. Don’t worry, you’ll easily pay it back with your well paid job after graduation.

Reality has proven that they bought a lie that has saddled them with debt that can be nearly impossible to pay off with average salaries. They make payments that they can afford but the interest compounds at a faster rate causing the balance to increase despite years, even decades of payments. Allowing the loans to be forgiven after paying, faithfully, for a minimum number of years and or a minimum amount of the loan is not only compassionate but good for our economy. Entire generations who can’t afford to get their own housing, start families, and generally contribute to our spending economy the way their parents and grandparents did is a huge negative.

But if wagging a finger at them, saying your problem, not mine, makes anyone feel better, well enjoy that I guess.
There are forgiveness programs out there for certain types of jobs ( or if you can do it and not everyone can, but if you can the military will sometimes pay them off ( usually in exchange for waiving your GI bill for a single enlistment. In other words, you have to make a choice if you only do one tour they can either pay your loan or give you money for later school, but not both.

Also, the reality is that certain majors are more likely to offer better salaries than others.

Look student loans are great if you only take out a few k (great way to build credit without needing credit, but you should expect to pay back whatever you barrow. Just like with the pandemic the smart ones paid on the loan anyway ( even if they could not pay he full amount because guess what with no interest being added on they will get that loan paid off faster and cheaper. The ones ( most of them that paid NOTHING just because they could find themselves in the same spot they were now that interest is building back up.
 
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The government can absolutely forgive debt, it works exactly like every other debt. The government not being a "person" doesn't mean they can't forgive debt.

Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) has existed since the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007 (CCRAA).
PLUS Loans are forgiven if the parent or guardian of the student that co-signed the loan dies or is permanently disabled - This happened to one of my parents, and it resulted in my PLUS loans being forgiven.

There's a whole laundry list of ways a student loan can be forgiven.

It's not like loans with the government are just magically "unforgivable".
The vast majority of PPP Loans were forgiven

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(This is from the SBA's 2022 PPP forgiveness report)

You don't need to pretend like government loans are somehow unable to be forgiven. If your position is "students should get loan forgiveness", then fine, you can have that view. But don't lie about government loans being somehow impossible to forgive.
Well ,if someone dies then it makes sense that their family will not be stuck with the debt ( same with medical debt provided that the deceased name was the only one on the loan, but if the person lives they need to pay off that debt or work on it at least. I have NO problem with certain student loan being forgiven but it should not be easy or blanket. I have always held that view. I have no problem with loan forgiveness that involves certain positions after a certain number of payments. I have no problem with programs like the TEACH grant ( a loan that turns into a grant if certain requirements are met.
 
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These are adults, true, but very young adults, teenagers even, when they start taking out these loans. They feel pressure to take the money to finance an education that teachers, parents and prospective companies have told them- repeatedly- is a requirement for success. Don’t worry, you’ll easily pay it back with your well paid job after graduation.

Reality has proven that they bought a lie that has saddled them with debt that can be nearly impossible to pay off with average salaries. They make payments that they can afford but the interest compounds at a faster rate causing the balance to increase despite years, even decades of payments. Allowing the loans to be forgiven after paying, faithfully, for a minimum number of years and or a minimum amount of the loan is not only compassionate but good for our economy. Entire generations who can’t afford to get their own housing, start families, and generally contribute to our spending economy the way their parents and grandparents did is a huge negative.

But if wagging a finger at them, saying your problem, not mine, makes anyone feel better, well enjoy that I guess.
As to compassion, why doesn't Joe use his own wealth to pay off some of the worst of the cases? He could get John Kerry and George Soros and the Obamas and the Clintons and the Pelosi family and other wealthy Democrats to help. The president is not a king who should dole out taxpayer money to groups he favors. Joe's policies have increased sex trafficking and drugs to unprecedented levels, and he needs to focus his attention on those horrific problems. Yes he needs more votes in order to have a second term, but that does not mean he has the right to take money from those who paid off their loans and those who took a job because they could not afford to go to school, or the many hard workers who had to take large pay cuts when Joe shut down their industries, and give it those he figures might be swayed to vote for him.
 
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that does not mean he has the right to take money from those who paid off their loans and those who took a job because they could not afford to go to school, or the many hard workers who had to take large pay cuts when Joe shut down their industries, and give it those he figures might be swayed to vote for him.

Taxing one group and spending it on another is how government finances work. He absolutely has that right. If he didn't, the government wouldn't be able to do much of anything.
 
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As to compassion, why doesn't Joe use his own wealth to pay off some of the worst of the cases? He could get John Kerry and George Soros and the Obamas and the Clintons and the Pelosi family and other wealthy Democrats to help. The president is not a king who should dole out taxpayer money to groups he favors. Joe's policies have increased sex trafficking and drugs to unprecedented levels, and he needs to focus his attention on those horrific problems. Yes he needs more votes in order to have a second term, but that does not mean he has the right to take money from those who paid off their loans and those who took a job because they could not afford to go to school, or the many hard workers who had to take large pay cuts when Joe shut down their industries, and give it those he figures might be swayed to vote for him.
Corporations and Banks have been bailed out in the past because it was deemed that not doing so would have drastic, negative impact on our economy. It is not unreasonable to view the student loan crisis as a national economic problem that the government can intervene in.
 
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As to compassion, why doesn't Joe use his own wealth to pay off some of the worst of the cases? He could get John Kerry and George Soros and the Obamas and the Clintons and the Pelosi family and other wealthy Democrats to help. The president is not a king who should dole out taxpayer money to groups he favors. Joe's policies have increased sex trafficking and drugs to unprecedented levels, and he needs to focus his attention on those horrific problems. Yes he needs more votes in order to have a second term, but that does not mean he has the right to take money from those who paid off their loans and those who took a job because they could not afford to go to school, or the many hard workers who had to take large pay cuts when Joe shut down their industries, and give it those he figures might be swayed to vote for him.
It would seem that addressing things like human trafficking and drugs ( though I happen to be more liberal in that respect), but it would seem that that would be a better way to get more votes ( and from a wider range of people).
 
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Taxing one group and spending it on another is how government finances work. He absolutely has that right. If he didn't, the government wouldn't be able to do much of anything.
Except that it is not his money alone to decide what to do with that is why the courts have struck them down.
 
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Corporations and Banks have been bailed out in the past because it was deemed that not doing so would have drastic, negative impact on our economy. It is not unreasonable to view the student loan crisis as a national economic problem that the government can intervene in.
Except that people can oppose both. Just because I oppose student loan forgiveness does not mean I cannot also oppose bank bail outs/ May a particular person did maybe they did not, but one can oppose both just as one can oppose neither.
 
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Except that it is not his money alone to decide what to do with that is why the courts have struck them down.
Correct, they struck down the Forgiveness under the 2003 HEROS Act (even though the text of the act plainly stated that it was OK).
Courts have not struck down all the other forgiveness programs and forgivenss actions performed, such as ensuring that PSLF and IDR borrwers got their forgiveness, and Borrower Protection actions where they have forgiven the loans of students that went to for-profit schools that defrauded students.

As to compassion, why doesn't Joe use his own wealth to pay off some of the worst of the cases? He could get John Kerry and George Soros and the Obamas and the Clintons and the Pelosi family and other wealthy Democrats to help.

There is approximately 1.6 Trillion dollars in outstanding Federal Student Loan debt.
While obviously the point of your post is just to attack dems, trying to "pay off the worst cases" would be little more than just a performative and wouldn't even come close to having a meaningful impact on student loans. There's hundreds of thousands of borrowers in some of the "worst of the cases".

And you'd probably criticize them in that case as well, arguing that they're doing it just to use as a PR stunt, which it would be in that case, since it'd be going out of their way to avoid larger-scale forgiveness.

Forgiveness on a larger scale is needed to have any impact, alongside long-term fixes and improvements to stop people from getting stuck in the case where they're making payments on their loan, and not getting any closer to paying it off.

The SAVE Plan is a big help in that regard. Set up in a way to help insure that the total amount owed can't balloon even higher even though the student is making their required payment amounts.

Except that people can oppose both. Just because I oppose student loan forgiveness does not mean I cannot also oppose bank bail outs/ May a particular person did maybe they did not, but one can oppose both just as one can oppose neither.
And I understand that people can oppose both. It's just frustrating when I see so much gnashing of teeth over Student Loans, while the same groups of people are relatively mum on PPP loans and bailouts for companies.

I would expect there to be a far larger cry out outrage over PPP loans, which was plagued with massive amounts of fraud.
Many who participated in what prosecutors are calling the largest fraud in U.S. history — the theft of hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer money intended to help those harmed by the coronavirus pandemic — couldn’t resist purchasing luxury automobiles. Also mansions, private jet flights and swanky vacations.

They came into their riches by participating in what experts say is the theft of as much as $80 billion — or about 10 percent — of the $800 billion handed out in a Covid relief plan known as the Paycheck Protection Program, or PPP. That’s on top of the $90 billion to $400 billion believed to have been stolen from the $900 billion Covid unemployment relief program — at least half taken by international fraudsters — as NBC News reported last year. And another $80 billion potentially pilfered from a separate Covid disaster relief program.

The prevalence of Covid relief fraud has been known for some time, but the enormous scope and its disturbing implications are only now becoming clear.

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The looting of the Paycheck Protection Program worked differently — and it could be far more lucrative. The program authorized banks and other financial institutions to make government-backed loans to businesses, loans that were to be forgiven if the companies spent the money on business expenses. Nearly 10 million such loans have already been forgiven. Many of the loans-turned-grants were for millions of dollars, public records show.

Experts say millions of borrowers inflated their numbers of employees or created companies out of whole cloth. For much of 2020, lenders did little to verify the applications, prosecutors and experts say, in part because Congress required the Small Business Administration, or SBA, which ran the program, to issue explicit guidance that in the interest of getting the money out fast, lenders “will be held harmless for borrowers’ failure to comply with program criteria.” The Government Accountability Office warned of fraud risk, but the program continued under that rule.

But again and again, the largest and most vocal outrage targets students. Not the active fraudsters that stole billions from taxpayers during a global pandemic. Those created fake companies to funnel in loan money that was forgiven with out as much as a single payment made. Those owners that took the money intended for their payroll and instead spend it on enriching themselves.
 
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Carolina Republican Rep. Virginia Foxx, chairwoman of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, said it will “dump even more kerosene on an already raging student debt fire.”
I think this part really sticks out to me.

The concept of helping people is apparently fueling the "raging fire" in her eyes. Not the financial hardship the borrowers are facing, that's good and proper in Rep. Foxx's mind.

Seems like a warped outlook.
 
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I think this part really sticks out to me.

The concept of helping people is apparently fueling the "raging fire" in her eyes. Not the financial hardship the borrowers are facing, that's good and proper in Rep. Foxx's mind.

Seems like a warped outlook.
In fact such types of gifts are HURTING people more than helping. As I pointed out before, the Bidens and Pelosis and the Clintons and Obamas and George Soros are not willing to help with their own money, but are using hard earned taxpayer money. Just like Martha's Vineyard when the immigrants showed up and Obama refused to let them use the land on his estate even temporarily. Democrats have kept the prices up at colleges and universities by their tenure policies and not getting rid of the bad teachers. If you have connections like the families of the aforementioned you can get in and afford it, but many cannot and took jobs instead. Where is the compassion for them? Why make them pay their tax money for those who bought various luxuries rather than pay off their loans early?
 
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Why make them pay their tax money for those who bought various luxuries rather than pay off their loans early?
Do you feel the same way about PPP loans? Companies with the means to pay them still went for forgiveness. And that's the ones that didn't commit massive amounts of fraud with their PPP loans.

I can guarantee, money given to PPP loans resulted in a lot more of a tax burden on tax payers than any student forgiveness ever has.
 
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Do you feel the same way about PPP loans? Companies with the means to pay them still went for forgiveness. And that's the ones that didn't commit massive amounts of fraud with their PPP loans.

I can guarantee, money given to PPP loans resulted in a lot more of a tax burden on tax payers than any student forgiveness ever has.
yes, I do feel the same about PPP loans for companies although I am not sure how they worked in terms of "taking them out" as the pandemic happened as opposed to the company saying we cannot afford x so we will take out basically a planned loan, so in that sense it would make even more sense to forgive those, but yes companies who simply want their loans forgiven should not get it as to fraud that needs to come with HEAVY punishment ( and I am saying that as someone who generally takes a fairly liberal view for punishment of non-violent crime.)
 
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