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Ha! You cut me to the quick. LOL!I don't even think an Orthodox would say that.
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Ha! You cut me to the quick. LOL!I don't even think an Orthodox would say that.
Possibly. He didn't have a New Testament. Maybe he had a letter or three from Paul. Maybe he had one of the Gospels. Point is that saying Scripture alone with regards to Timothy means basically the OT only. Which is a backwards sort of claim to make to establish some 66 book Bible as the only authority. They really only establish the OT as the only authority in using that text that way.Only? How do you know he did not also have the Hebrew Scriptures or the Aramaic Targums?
Because it is a false comparison.
I don't use a Catholic Bible but when I quote from the Deuterocanonicals people say "It is not Scripture "
I originally questioned the OP as a false dichotomy. I was mistaken, it's a straw-man argument from the outset.
No Church teaches, turning from scripture and insisting that traditions of man are all that matters.
Tradition being passed on is how we have the New Testament.
If we take a strict view of Mark 7, we throw out large portions of the New Testament, if not all of it.
It helps to include the context for your comment doesn't it?Wrote what?
The term doesn’t indicate any type of procreation unless you define Mary as a co-member of the trinity or as co-creator, if you deny the term you deny the incarnation very simple. The context of how lord is applied is key, the term as applied in Luke 1:43 obviously refers to God and divinity as Elizabeth says my Lord indicating Elizabeth’s personal Lord and we know Israel only had one Lord and God and Savior. By the way this is the verse of Hebrews 7:3:Notice how many times in scripture Mary is addressed as "Mother of God"??
That term smacks of procreation ... not incarnation. Maybe that is why you find it not being used.
"actually" or "indirect inference by the reader -- only"?
hmm so -- "My lord the King" -- means " king Saul was God"? 1 Samuel 24:8
Or would that be a case of bad inference by the reader?
Or it means you agree with Hebrew 7 that God has no mother or father... and that the issue in the case of Mary is "incarnation" and not "procreation".
There is as it turns out - a big difference.
Which is probably why we don't see that term used in the Bible.
As for the amount of 'books' in the whole of scripture as we now have them in the KJB, we can know that there are 66 books:... 66 book Bible as the only authority. ...
Yea, for the ECF Lactantius believed in flat-earth, but do you hear the threads on "ECF" claim that as their "tradition"? Just one of the endless blunders of the Easily Confused Fellows....Checkout the OP - it does not say "church teaches" it says we have some threads started here recently making that claim. Pretty hard to find people who do accept ECF tradition going over there to try and get a more balanced POV promoted. ...
I counted, not taking long, and it is 0 times.Notice how many times in scripture Mary is addressed as "Mother of God"?? ...
Nonsense again.She is actually indirectly called the mother of God in scripture:
And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me?
Luke 1:43
If you reject that Mary is the mother of God it means you reject the divinity of Christ or separate his two natures.
I haven't seen this. Granted, there's a lot of threads I don't even bother to open. My not seeing them is not argument that they don't exist.Checkout the OP - it does not say "church teaches" it says we have some threads started here recently making that claim..
As I see it, in a strict rendering as presented, using Christ quoting OT as example; we either accept sola-Old Testament OR we'd need to find example(s) of Christ quoting New Testament writer(s) (not the other way around).How so?? Was Christ careless in Mark 7??
WOW! With eisegesis like that I struggle to imagine how to even challenge you on it.As for the amount of 'books' in the whole of scripture as we now have them in the KJB, we can know that there are 66 books:
There are two stacks of 6 loaves on the table of shewbread, which represents God's word, taken together. 6-6.
Across from the table of shew bread is the candlestick when all the flowers, knops etc added up. 66.
The book of Isaiah, being the mini bible, from creation to redemption and new heavens and earth, are chapters. 66
The number of man is 6. Jesus took upon himself the form of a servant, and became 'man', 6. There God who took upon himself humanity (Jesus) and man. 6 - 6.
The OT itself, the standard of judgment is the limit of the law, meaning, 40 stripes save 1. 39.
The NT is a little more interesting, in that there are 4 gospels, corresponding to the 4 living creatures of Revelation, 7 letters to 7 churches by Paul as like in Revelation, etc and it also ties into the Sanctuary. The 4 gospels in the altar of Sacrifice, the book of Acts the Laver of Baptism, the letters to the churches and epistles the life in the Holy Place (bread (word), incense (prayer), light (share)), and Revelation ending in the Most Holy Place. It also is 3 to the 3rd power (3x3x3). 27.
They’re absolutely true. Consider the 7 Branch Candlestick and 66 number in totaling all the knops, etc.
Psa_119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Exo 25:31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.
Exo 25:32 And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side:
Exo 25:33 Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick.
Exo 25:34 And in the candlestick shall be four bowls made like unto almonds, with their knops and their flowers.
Exo 25:35 And there shall be a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, according to the six branches that proceed out of the candlestick.
Exo 25:36 Their knops and their branches shall be of the same: all it shall be one beaten work of pure gold.
Exo 25:37 And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it.
Exo_37:17 And he made the candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work made he the candlestick; his shaft, and his branch, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, were of the same:
Exo_37:20 And in the candlestick were four bowls made like almonds, his knops, and his flowers:
Exo_37:22 Their knops and their branches were of the same: all of it was one beaten work of pure gold.
[1] Knops per side (6) branch x 3 = 18
[2] Flowers per side (6) branch x 3 = 18
[3] Bowls per (6) branch x 3 = 18
[4] 6 side branches (3 of each knop, flower and bowl per (thus 9)) = 54
[5] 1 central (branch) stock (4 knops, 4 flowers, 4 bowls) = 12
[6] Total = 18 + 18 + 18 + 12 = 66
I know you think so. It is why you won't even try and have no other response but apoplexy, as it is too straight forward especially with the Candlestick texts. Thy word is a lamp ...WOW! With eisegesis like that I struggle to imagine how to even challenge you on it.
So many new threads recently turning from scripture and insisting that traditions of man are all that matters...
What did Christ say?
Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
Not saying that all ECF statements are errors of man - only that scripture is the "Gold standard" and not the other way around
Paul himself "tested" sola scriptura
Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO"
Gal 1:6-9
"6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we (Apostles), or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"
Acts 20
28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be on the alert,
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Notice - I believe in sola scriptura -- which means I predict that scripture alone will debunk any sort of error raised against it.
No wonder then that the scripture that does it - would be the focus and solution for complaints against the very practice we see in scripture.
It is like saying "here is the medicine that will cure that sickness" and then each time the sickness shows up -- "that same medicine" appears as the solution. Not all that surprising.