Sola Scriptura is overrated, the first christians didn't need it so neither do we.

[Albion]

But we're talking about there being more books in the bible, so the Old testament count is more relevant.

How do you figure? It's the New Testament that is all about the Messiah and the church that these people were part of. Anyway, the NT books were in use, so that's that.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

so that's that.

Very well.

 

[Meowzltov]

Writings understood with the help of the Holy Spirit.

The problem arises when we confuse our own interpretation, our own emotions, our own intuition, with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Meowzltov]

The Canon wasn't agreed upon until centuries after their death, what did the Christians without the apostles have?

Touche.

 

[Righttruth]

Yep, what becomes a problem is when personal interpretation is insisted as universal application.

Only disciples of Christ are qualified to interpret the writings.

 

[Righttruth]

The problem arises when we confuse our own interpretation, our own emotions, our own intuition, with the Holy Spirit.

One check is that whether one is interpreting for convenient and 'ear tickling' theories.

 

[Meowzltov]

One check is that whether one is interpreting for convenient and 'ear tickling' theories.

We are never conscious of our own self deceit.

 

[Righttruth]

We are never conscious of our own self deceit.

Yes, but when a concept looks comfortable to one, one needs to be very careful

 

[Inkfingers]

Sola Scriptura is overrated, the first christians didn't need it so neither do we.

They had the Law and the Prophets in the Hebrew Bible, and they had the love of and obedience to God being one in Christ through faith.

 

[ebedmelech]

He didn't say "Until all is accomplished in the Law." He said, "Until ALL is accomplished."

How is it you don't understand Jesus was speaking of all being accomplished based on the Law, when the Law is the subject? The passage is Matthew 5:17, 18:
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Jesus clearly says He came to fulfill the Law. Do you get what that means? Why would Paul make this statement in Romans 10:4 if that was not the case?:
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Christ is the ONLY one that ever kept the Law perfectly...His righteousness is applied to EVERYONE who comes to faith in Him! It is on the basis of Christ sacrifice of Himself that God sees every believer as perfect in His sight.

 

[Hank77]

Sola Scriptura is overrated, the first christians didn't need it so neither do we.

The Bereans thought that it was the way to judge what Paul was teaching. That is good enough for me.

 

[Righttruth]

The Bereans thought that it was the way to judge what Paul was teaching. That is good enough for me.

What did they think of Paul's teaching? Was it in tune with what Jesus preached?

 

[Hank77]

What did they think of Paul's teaching? Was it in tune with what Jesus preached?

The Bereans compared what Paul taught to the Writings, which would have been the OT, the prophets and the law.

 

[Righttruth]

The Bereans compared what Paul taught to the Writings, which would have been the OT, the prophets and the law.

What about the preaching of Jesus?

 

[Hank77]

What about the preaching of Jesus?

The Bereans wouldn't have had copies of the Gospels. What they were verifying was that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah, that the Gospel message of the Redeemer was true, that He was the One Seed spoken of to Abraham, that of the Gentiles being brought into the fold, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the gifts, etc.
The Apostles would quote OT scriptures as proof of what they were teaching, such as Peter saying on Pentecost that the giving of the Holy Spirit had been prophesied by Joel.
They taught that salvation was through faith, which is also in the OT, just as love thy God and thy neighbor. Abraham being declared righteous by grace through faith.

 

[juvenissun]

Sola Scriptura is overrated, the first christians didn't need it so neither do we.

What's wrong with it?

 

[Righttruth]

The Bereans wouldn't have had copies of the Gospels. What they were verifying was that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah, that the Gospel message of the Redeemer was true, that He was the One Seed spoken of to Abraham, that of the Gentiles being brought into the fold, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the gifts, etc.
The Apostles would quote OT scriptures as proof of what they were teaching, such as Peter saying on Pentecost that the giving of the Holy Spirit had been prophesied by Joel.
They taught that salvation was through faith, which is also in the OT, just as love thy God and thy neighbor. Abraham being declared righteous by grace through faith.

Without knowing the words of Jesus, relying on Paul's version could be a diversion unfortunately.

 

[Hank77]

Without knowing the words of Jesus, relying on Paul's version could be a diversion unfortunately.

Peter and James both verified Paul's authority.

 

[Hank77]

What did they think of Paul's teaching? Was it in tune with what Jesus preached?

It appears that they did.

 

[juvenissun]

Without knowing the words of Jesus, relying on Paul's version could be a diversion unfortunately.

For example?