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Yes, I have rejected your religious argument against SSM. That being the case, I see no moral reason for why it should be opposed.
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No you have simply rejected the source of authority claimed for the moral argument you have not argued a moral case yourself. You have only said you do not agree with the religious basis on which moral judgments on SSM have been made. You have not articulated the basis on which you think a positive moral decision can be made.
SSM is morally OK because........
Not to mention they 're victims of the holocaust program.Nazi Germany was God's judgment for tolerating homosexuality? In what sense was homosexuality tolerated before the Nazis rise to power? Because it certainly wasn't tolerated while they were in power.
Nazi Germany was God's judgment for tolerating homosexuality? In what sense was homosexuality tolerated before the Nazis rise to power? Because it certainly wasn't tolerated while they were in power.
Yes, I have rejected your religious argument against SSM. That being the case, I see no moral reason for why it should be opposed.
That is such a patently ridiculous argument it's not even used by lawyers arguing against same-sex marriage. That argument didn't work with interracial marriage and it won't work now.Homosexuals already had equality. They could marry anyone of the opposite sex that they chose as could any hetrosexual. They also had all the standard contract, employment etc rights of hetrosexuals.
Because being gay is a biologically fixed trait like blue eyes or red hair. The gay brain is physically structured differently and that occurs in pre-natal development. It's a natural variant of animal sexuality found in every species on Earth. Gay people can't stop being gay. They can force themselves to engage in relations with the opposite sex, but that doesn't change their innate orientation. And that almost always leads to a miserable relationship/marriage for bother partners.So you think its OK to be gay for instance but why. You haven't answered that question. Why is it OK to be gay?
It was a story about a group of man commenting rape regardless of sex.Why does no Conservative Christian have the foggiest clue what the story of Sodom was about? Hint: It wasn't gay people.
Why does no Conservative Christian have the foggiest clue what the story of Sodom was about? Hint: It wasn't gay people.
Jude 7 said:as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Genesis 19 v 5 said:They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.
Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.......If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
It was a story about a group of man commenting rape regardless of sex.
Do I get a cookie.
That is such a patently ridiculous argument it's not even used by lawyers arguing against same-sex marriage. That argument didn't work with interracial marriage and it won't work now.
There is no relationship between this issue and the discussions about race.
The discussion here is about an act of evil being called good. It is OK for anyone to marry and all have an equal opportunity to do so. But homosexual actions are an unnatural perversion and the law is there to restrain these not to affirm them. A better analogy than race would have been wife beating or incest for instance.
Because being gay is a biologically fixed trait like blue eyes or red hair. The gay brain is physically structured differently and that occurs in pre-natal development. It's a natural variant of animal sexuality found in every species on Earth. Gay people can't stop being gay. They can force themselves to engage in relations with the opposite sex, but that doesn't change their innate orientation. And that almost always leads to a miserable relationship/marriage for bother partners.
Perhaps if you educated yourself on what sexual orientation is and the science behind it, you might not express such inaccurate, judgmental views.
The point you're missing is that only a couple decades ago the arguments being used against Gay Marriage were used against Interracial Marriage, and backed by the Bible.
Homosexuality is a natural occurrence, and it's not a perversion.
The Weimar Republics toleration of homosexuality was regarded as a symptom of decadence. The Nazis then put gays to death.
Homosexual rights was one of the reasons that empowered the Nazi rise to power. But it was only a symptom of the even deeper spiritual degeneration that had occurred in Germany since the late C19. Liberalisation provoked the extreme and ultimately futile response of the Nazis and the subsequent total devastation of Germany. One of the allied operations against Germany was named after the biblical judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah e.g. Operation Gomorrah.
But rejection of Christian or Muslim grounds for moralising is not a positive moral case. You argue from an absence of morals rather than from the presence of them.
It was a story about a group of man commenting rape regardless of sex.
Do I get a cookie.
Your interpretation is wrong. You cling to modern day English verses pulled out of context, language, and culture and expect that to settle the issue. It doesn'tDon't be so sure - we study your scriptures with the same intensity that you Jews do. Christians also have the New Testament to reinforce this interpretation.
The law in Leviticus is very clear about what God thinks about homosexual practice:
Yes there is because the exact same arguments used against same-sex marriage were used against interracial marriage. Even the trial judge in Loving v. Virginia used the Bible as justification for his ruling.There is no relationship between this issue and the discussions about race.
Love between 2 consenting adults is not evil. Your demonization of gay people is quite evil though.The discussion here is about an act of evil being called good.
No, those are patently stupid analogies. Homosexuality is not unnatural or a perversion. You don't know the meaning of unnatural or homosexuality.But homosexual actions are an unnatural perversion and the law is there to restrain these not to affirm them. A better analogy than race would have been wife beating or incest for instance.
There is nothing natural about homosexuality. It thrives only where it is permitted and affirmed and it is a symptom of deep spiritual degeneration.
Family Research Council is an anti-gay hate group who has never done scientific research and is endorsing Uganda's genocide bill of gay people. The fact that you resort to a group like that to support your views proves you haven't the foggiest clue what you're talking about. Quoting FRC about gays is like quoting Hitler on the value of Jews. Family Research Council is just as evil as Nazis.Absolute rubbish you are merely revealing your ideological presuppositions here. Sexuality is mutable in most people- tastes and indeed enthusiasm rises and falls throughout a persons life. You are not the same person you were having your first sexual thoughts as a child. Also there are cases of people who have made the jump as with the lesbian whose story I shared earlier in this OP. So you can assert all you want but the exception proves the rule and these exceptions do exist. I only need one personal example to prove the possibility and to overthrow any scientific survey you throw at me on this.
Some people are born with a greater disposition to be gay and some will never be hetrosexual. For these the option of celibacy exists and we all have a choice as to whether we live out the thoughts and feelings inside of us or not. The good news is that where we are sinful, indeed wherever we are sinful we can change. To deny that is to deny a persons humanity and choice and also the power of God to transform a persons life for the better. Much of the science on this matter is scientific determinism that reduces people to mere animals and its conclusions can only be cautious and heavily qualified. Surveys by the Family Research Council have dealt with this human and with the moral factor far better than the APA for instance and also come to radically different conclusions about mutability and the suitability of gay people to be parents for instance. Being made in Gods image implies a transcendence that science cannot examine and has never really examined in the case of homosexuality to any great degree of reliability.
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