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So why do men have nipples?
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juvenissun
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Yes, indeed I am. So what are you, a keyboarding cabbage?
I am one belongs to a group described by this verse:
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
I guess you do not agree and you are not one of them.
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Sounds like you belong to the group who goes by the slogan:
The sooner all the animals are extinct, the sooner we will find out where their money is hidden".
But hey why not wreck everything. God made it in the snap of his fingers, it is all temporary anyhow, and soon all the 'good" people will be given paradise here on earth.
If there are still people around, say 5000 years from now living in the pitifully depleted world that will be left to them... and they find a way to read these ancient texts and see how people acted and why they did what the did... they wont be praising those ancestors.
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juvenissun
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You seems to be impressed by this statement of mine. If you like to pursue it, I can tell you a little bit more about it. See how far can you go with me on this one.
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Well, even a guy with a good education can be absolutely, completely and utterly ignorant about biology. My grandfather did great work as a physicist on cooling to extremely low temperatures. But on biology, his knowledge isn't much better than that of your average high schooler. Juvenissun is pretty much the same, at least what knowledge regarding biology concerns. It's worse than high school level.
But then, I'm not impressed with his knowledge on any topic he has posted on here. As far as I can tell he really is a living demonstration of the arrogance of ignorance. In that regard, he at least has his use as a good case study.
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juvenissun
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So, let's take the first step: do you think a Ph.D. (or equivalent) is the highest academic degree a human can receive? Could a person with a Ph.D. claim that he or she has the highest degree of education human being can offer?
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So, let's take the first step: do you think a Ph.D. (or equivalent) is the highest academic degree a human can receive? Could a person with a Ph.D. claim that he or she has the highest degree of education human being can offer? QUOTE///
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That is a very ambiguous question!
A person COULD, and many do, claim anything that they like. So that part of the question has no particular meaning.
Could they legitimately make that claim? No way to answer, because the quesiton does not make sense.
"... highest degree of education human being can offer?"
Does this mean highest educational degree or highest degree of education"
"Degree of education" and "educational degree" are two quite different things.
You appear to use them interchangeably, so you will have to specify which one you mean.
Do you mean "(that a) human being can offer" of ".. human being can BE offered"?
The problems with that question do not stop there. There is a great deal of difference among educational institutions. Some are not accredited. There is a lot of difference from one department to the next within one institution, and a lot of difference from student to student. Some people with college degrees dont seem to have learned a thing.
Institutions? I myself have a Doctor of Divinity degree issued by a small but entirely legal institution in California. I could, though I wont, claim to have the highest academic degree that a person can receive. And whoop, as they say, de doo! For an extra five they might have made me Empress of the Moon, too.
No doubt there are people who go to Universities in 3rd world countries and actually attend classes before getting a degree that, with a dollar or two, could get the bearer of same a cup of coffee.
Was it your original statement that you have the "highest degree of education that it is possible for a human being to have"?
Is that your claim? With you it is necessary to pin down the exact words, and to insist only definitions that can be found in a standard dictionary.
I suggested that we start with something about English proficiency.
You said that you have the "highest degree of education" which means that you have the greatest AMOUNT of education that it is possible for a human being to have.
You do not have thar, as the ungrammatical and ambiguous phrasing of your question so clearly shows.
Lets start with having you make statements that are written in clear standard Engish.
Im not going to tutor you in this. Informality is ok; ambiguity is not.
Oh, one more thing. I am not going to play your game of juv asks questions and I am supposed to answer them for you.
You made a rather remarkable claim, let's see you back it up.
So, let's take the first step: do you think a Ph.D. (or equivalent) is the highest academic degree a human can receive? Could a person with a Ph.D. claim that he or she has the highest degree of education human being can offer? QUOTE///
Hespera sez...
That is a very ambiguous question!
A person COULD, and many do, claim anything that they like. So that part of the question has no particular meaning.
Could they legitimately make that claim? No way to answer, because the quesiton does not make sense.
"... highest degree of education human being can offer?"
Does this mean highest educational degree or highest degree of education"
"Degree of education" and "educational degree" are two quite different things.
You appear to use them interchangeably, so you will have to specify which one you mean.
Do you mean "(that a) human being can offer" of ".. human being can BE offered"?
The problems with that question do not stop there. There is a great deal of difference among educational institutions. Some are not accredited. There is a lot of difference from one department to the next within one institution, and a lot of difference from student to student. Some people with college degrees dont seem to have learned a thing.
Institutions? I myself have a Doctor of Divinity degree issued by a small but entirely legal institution in California. I could, though I wont, claim to have the highest academic degree that a person can receive. And whoop, as they say, de doo! For an extra five they might have made me Empress of the Moon, too.
No doubt there are people who go to Universities in 3rd world countries and actually attend classes before getting a degree that, with a dollar or two, could get the bearer of same a cup of coffee.
Was it your original statement that you have the "highest degree of education that it is possible for a human being to have"?
Is that your claim? With you it is necessary to pin down the exact words, and to insist only definitions that can be found in a standard dictionary.
I suggested that we start with something about English proficiency.
You said that you have the "highest degree of education" which means that you have the greatest AMOUNT of education that it is possible for a human being to have.
You do not have thar, as the ungrammatical and ambiguous phrasing of your question so clearly shows.
Lets start with having you make statements that are written in clear standard Engish.
Im not going to tutor you in this. Informality is ok; ambiguity is not.
Oh, one more thing. I am not going to play your game of juv asks questions and I am supposed to answer them for you.
You made a rather remarkable claim, let's see you back it up.
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Let us say for the sake of argument: Yes.
They could certainly claim that, but even within narrowly defined specialties there is always more that can be learned. Thus, the claim would certainly be false.
So, let us go on to step two.
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You are very picky on the step one of my explanation. I guess that means you do not intend to proceed. Sigh, smart young people like to demonstrate that they can argue almost on anything. But, they do not understand what is the purpose of argument. And they, in most cases, get lost in their own arguments.
If you like to continue, give me a better (a more focused) reply. Otherwise, you may read my conversation with Gracchus.
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Do you think that instead of concocting a half dozen denigrating comments about me, you could just take the time to phrase your question in a form that actually makes sense?
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Let us say for the sake of argument: Yes.
They could certainly claim that, but even within narrowly defined specialties there is always more that can be learned. Thus, the claim would certainly be false.
So, let us go on to step two.
So, if I had a Ph.D. degree, I do can claim that I have received the highest education mankind can offer.
And you are right, even I have a Ph.D., I still cannot claim that I have the highest education, which a person could "receive". That is why most people with Ph.D. are still learning after receiving the degree. We can still count this post doctor level of learning as a process of education.
The step two is a little complicate. Let's use a school class to illustrate:
In a class of 50 students, not everyone would get the same grade for the course. However, there could be a number of students who received grade A in the class. Can those who get grade A claim that they have received the highest education on the subject in the class?
If we gathered 50 people with Ph.D. and gave them 30 years to learn. At the end of the 30th year, could we evaluate them so that some of them can claim that he or she have received the highest degree of education on the earth?
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Once again No,
95% = A
95% != 100%
and even 100% wouldn't = the Highest Education on the subject in the class.
So far your 2 for 2 on No.
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Next evidently is to continue to play Socrates with (ambiguous) questions.
We didnt yet find out even if he is claiming to have the highest academic degree or the greatest degree of education.
Juv... if you have a PhD, why dont you just say so, along with the name of the institution and department. Cambridge? Mail order?
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