So why do men have nipples?

[juvenissun]

From my experience in thinking, if you lack knowledge, thinking in a meaningful way is very hard. Maybe you'd be better off gaining knowledge before you think too much

Why can't all birds remember the exact location of thousands of food items they'd hidden? Does that mean that the incredible spatial memory of scrub jays couldn't have evolved? Or does such reasoning only apply to humans? Why?

Again, you seem sure about this without having the slightest clue.

I don't think we know what caused us to evolve our intellectual abilities in the first place, which means we don't really have a way of predicting whether chimps or orangs or gorillas would follow a similar trajectory if left alone. Evolution isn't just a matter of time.

Why?

(No, don't come with the Bible. If you bring it up, please give me a reason why I should accept what [you think] it says. "Bible says so" is not a reason. If you can't do that, don't bother mentioning the Bible.)

Four out of five apes don't want to be related to you either

Because there is never any species which could "continue" to learn, to develop like we do. Many creatures are good on one special talent. But that is the end of it. It was not passed to and it did not pass on. The community did not change a bit with time due to that special talent. But we found fire, then weapons, then this and then that. Why should we be so special?

The more I think about this, the more I feel the human evolution story is a B*t. I don't care if you believe in animal evolution or not, but I despise people who identify themselves with ape. It is a direct insult to human nature.

 

[Hespera]

Because there is never any species which could "continue" to learn, to develop like we do. Many creatures are good on one special talent. But that is the end of it. It was not passed to and it did not pass on. The community did not change a bit with time due to that special talent. But we found fire, then weapons, then this and then that. Why should we be so special?

The more I think about this, the more I feel the human evolution story is a B*t. I don't care if you believe in animal evolution or not, but I despise people who identify themselves with ape. It is a direct insult to human nature.

Is that thinking about it, or getting emotional about it. Sounds like getting emotional, from here.


I think despising people who dont dance to your tune is a bit of a crappy attitude.

As for what is an insult, I'd say it is a profound insult to your ancestors to deny them and the long hard road they followed to get to where people can forget their past, and pretend they are somehow too good to have that kind of ancestors.

I totally agree that people are special... now. We are way smarter and way beyond any other animal in our mental / manipulative abilities.

But its also an insult to the whole human race to say that we couldnt have done it on our own, from humble origins. Its something to be proud of, not ashamed of.



And btw.... whether you are comfortable with it or not, people ARE apes.

 

[juvenissun]

Is that thinking about it, or getting emotional about it. Sounds like getting emotional, from here.


I think despising people who dont dance to your tune is a bit of a crappy attitude.

As for what is an insult, I'd say it is a profound insult to your ancestors to deny them and the long hard road they followed to get to where people can forget their past, and pretend they are somehow too good to have that kind of ancestors.

I totally agree that people are special... now. We are way smarter and way beyond any other animal in our mental / manipulative abilities.

But its also an insult to the whole human race to say that we couldnt have done it on our own, from humble origins. Its something to be proud of, not ashamed of.



And btw.... whether you are comfortable with it or not, people ARE apes.

You are ape. I am not.

 

[pgp_protector]

You are ape. I am not.

Are you a mammal ?

 

[MoonLancer]

You are ape. I am not.

Jesus was an ape, and a homo. (joke from other thread... don't blame me, blame av)

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You are ape. I am not.

If you are a human, you are an ape.

Unless you have your own, weird, unscientific definition of the word 'ape'.

 

[Naraoia]

Many creatures are good on one special talent. But that is the end of it.

Corvids are good at many things, AFAIK. They are playful, socially smart and inventive. Great apes also have many talents, if not in the same degree as we do. And dolphins. And parrots. And... heck, probably octopuses. (Have I left anyone out?)

The more I think about this, the more I feel the human evolution story is a B*t. I don't care if you believe in animal evolution or not, but I despise people who identify themselves with ape.

Then I'm proud to have your contempt.

It is a direct insult to human nature.

I'm sorry, but what is there in human nature to insult? In what way can we claim superiority over an ape, other than the overblown smartness that allows us to be full of ourselves?

 

[Naraoia]

I look at life, and I see wonders upon wonders. Beauty, creepiness, intriguing mysteries and intriguing answers. Darwin's "grandeur", that we are all variations on one theme.

I feel so sad about people who only see lowly creatures unworthy of any connection to us. You don't know what you're losing.

 

[Hespera]

Juv... so I am an ape and you are not. Is that intended to insult me, or to say that you are an outer space alien? You seem to be on the planet of the apes.... there's well over a billion of my type of ape, not to mention all the ones in Africa, India, South America, Europe....

Or is it that you just absolutely cannot face reality? i think i will avoid any books that do that to people. (aoes)

 

[juvenissun]

Corvids are good at many things, AFAIK. They are playful, socially smart and inventive. Great apes also have many talents, if not in the same degree as we do. And dolphins. And parrots. And... heck, probably octopuses. (Have I left anyone out?)

Then I'm proud to have your contempt.

I'm sorry, but what is there in human nature to insult? In what way can we claim superiority over an ape, other than the overblown smartness that allows us to be full of ourselves?

There is no need to go any farther. We raised fire, they did not.
It is an example. You may put it into a category, and call it human nature.

 

[pgp_protector]

There is no need to go any farther. We raised fire, they did not.
It is an example. You may put it into a category, and call it human nature.

Ah fire, the wonderful things we've done with it.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

There is no need to go any farther. We raised fire, they did not.
It is an example. You may put it into a category, and call it human nature.

We also figured out evolution, and they did not.

 

[juvenissun]

Are you a mammal ?

Occasionally, you do ask a good question. I appreciate this one. It is a logic illusion based on the false assumption of evolution (you are probably not even aware of it because you are so corrupted by the idea of evolution).

Use a math structure to illustrate:

I am a mammal:
Mammal = { x | x contains a, b, c, ...}
Juv(a, b, c, ...)
--> Mammal = { x | x = Juv, ....}

I am not a mammal:
Mammal = { x | x contains ... AND x is evolved}
Juv( ... is NOT evolved)
--> Mammal = { x | x \= Juv, ...}

 

[juvenissun]

We also figured out evolution, and they did not.

We also imagine evolution, and they did not.

You are perfectly right.

 

[juvenissun]

Ah fire, the wonderful things we've done with it.

Yes, ape can't do this. It is another example of human nature.

Yes, we do not like it. And this is another thing ape can not do. This is also a human nature.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

You are perfectly right.

Thank you.

 

[Hespera]

Anyone get the feeling that Galileo and Copernicus would recognize their time on this page?

 

[Gracchus]

There is no need to go any farther. We raised fire, they did not.
It is an example. You may put it into a category, and call it human nature.

I doubt that most people on this forum, naked in the wilderness, could start a fire if their lives depended on it.
Most people, as the saying goes, "are too stupid to pour water out of a boot, if the directions were written on the sole."

 

[Naraoia]

There is no need to go any farther. We raised fire, they did not.

So what? You seem work under the assumption that intellectual superiority somehow equals absolute, unqualified superiority. Can you explain how the logic of that works? Why superiority in other things - swimming, smelling, living at high temperatures, anything - is somehow less significant?

It is an example. You may put it into a category, and call it human nature.

I thought "human nature" is the essence of how we think and behave. Fire may be a tool through which human nature manifests (as in pgp's picture), but for me, it's not part of human nature itself.

Of course, "human nature" is hardly a scientific term, so we're allowed to have different definitions.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Occasionally, you do ask a good question. I appreciate this one. It is a logic illusion based on the false assumption of evolution (you are probably not even aware of it because you are so corrupted by the idea of evolution).

Use a math structure to illustrate:

I am a mammal:
Mammal = { x | x contains a, b, c, ...}
Juv(a, b, c, ...)
--> Mammal = { x | x = Juv, ....}

I am not a mammal:
Mammal = { x | x contains ... AND x is evolved}
Juv( ... is NOT evolved)
--> Mammal = { x | x \= Juv, ...}

Your logic is valid, but unsound: Juv( ... is NOt evolved) is a false premise, since you ARE, in fact, evolved. You share the same proto-mammalian ancestor with all humans (and all modern mammals). Your insistence to the contrary doesn't change that fact.

In modern taxonomy, something is considered a mammal if it evolved from the original mammalian species (the species from which all mammals are descended, and from which no non-mammal is descended). There are defining traits, such as three middle-ear bones, but ancestry is the clincher.

Question: why do you think we (or, at least, you) are not an evolved form of proto-mammals?