SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

[Hammster]

Indeed let me know when you want to have a discussion.

I do right now. Is Sabbath observance necessary for justification?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do right now. Is Sabbath observance necessary for justification?

No you don't wish to have a discussion. You ignore my questions and do not wish to have a discussion. Let me know when you want to have a two way discussion.

If you want to have a discussion it is my turn now as I have answered your questions. Here are a couple of questions I asked you ages ago which you have ignored along with everything else I have asked you.

1. Is a christian in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God if they are living in a life on known unrepentant sin?

2. Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

If you want to have a discussion prove it. A discussion goes two ways. I have answered your now you answer mine.Either way your response will show if you are genuine about wanting to have a discussion. I have already proven to you that at least I am genuine.

Look forward to your reply.

 

[Hammster]

1. Is a christian in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God if they are living in a life on known unrepentant sin?

They are Christians. There’s no such thing as an unsaved Christian.

 

[Hammster]

2. Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

There are no commands for Sunday worship.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There are no commands for Sunday worship.

Well you have half answered one question. Did you wish to have a go at the other part which was where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment that is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken is abolished *ROMANS 3:20?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

They are Christians. There’s no such thing as an unsaved Christian.

So I am not misunderstanding you. Your saying a christian can live a life of known unrepenatant sin and is in a saved state with God right?

 

[Hammster]

So I am not misunderstanding you. Your saying a christian can live a life of known unrepenatant sin and is in a saved state with God right?

A Christian is a Christian. There’s no such creature as an unsaved Christian.

 

[Hammster]

Well you have half answered one question. Did you wish to have a go at the other part which was where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment that is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken is abolished *ROMANS 3:20?

There’s knowledge of sin. But there’s no justification through obedience to the law.

I guess that answers the question you’ve been avoiding.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There’s knowledge of sin. But there’s no justification through obedience to the law. I guess that answers the question you’ve been avoiding.

I have avoided no such thing and have posted all through this thread that no one is saved by the works of the law and that we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. As posted also all through this thread OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. Please do not say things I have never said brother when I have already posted on this topic.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

A Christian is a Christian. There’s no such creature as an unsaved Christian.

Let's see what the scriptures say?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

A Christian is a Christian. There’s no such creature as an unsaved Christian.

QUESTION: Is a christian who is living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED STATE before God or an UNSAVED STATE before God?

YOUR ANSWER: They are in a saved state before God.

Let's look at the scriptures now brother. I pray you will prayerfully consider each verse posted here. SIN is defined in God's WORD as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; ROMANS 3:20.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN?

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for THOSE WHO WERE ONCE ENLIGHTENED AND HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT AND WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,[5], AND HAVE TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD, AND THE POWERS OF THE WORLD TO COME, [6], IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY TO RENEW THEMSELVES TO REPENTANCE; SEEING THAT THEY CRUCIFY TO THEMSELVES THE SON OF GOD AFRESH AND PUT HIM TO OPEN SHAME. [7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:[8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; WHOSE END IS TO BE BURNED.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, [27], BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD TO OF JUDGMENT AND FIREY INDIGNATION WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.

CONCLUSION: Those who once knew God and fall back into a life of known unrepentant sin are lost and will recveive the wages of sin because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23

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HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD?

MATTHEW 7:22-23 [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], AND THEN WILL I PROFESS TO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY (INIQUITRY = SIN; or Breaking God's Commandments).

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .[4], He that said, I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. (KNOW HIM links to MATTHEW 7:23 above "Never knew you depart from me you who sin" - break God's commandments)

CONCLUSION: God does not know us if we choose to live a life of known unrepentant sin. He knows us if we choose to believe and follow his Word.

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WHO ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL?

1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], WHOSOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT; WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM NEITHER KNOWS HIM . [7], LITTLE CHILDREN LET KNOW MAN DECEIVE YOU; HE THAT DOES RIGHTOEUSNESS IS RIGHTOUES EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. [8], HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN ; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10
[9], KNOW YOU NOT THAT THE UNRIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10], Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM.

EPHESIANS 5:5-6 [5], For this you know, that no fornicator, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, HAS ANY INHERITANCE IN THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST AND OF GOD. [6], LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU WITH VAIN WORDS; FOR BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS COMES THE WRATH OF GOD ON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE.

COLOSSIANS 3:5-6 [5], Mortify therefore your members which are on the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:[6], FOR WHICH THINGS SAKE THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE.

TITUS 2:11-12 [11], For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, [12], TEACHING US THAT DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY LUSTS WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTOUESLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD.

CONCLUSION: Once again those who live a life in sin have do not know God *1 JOHN 3:6. If we are born of God we will not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:9. The difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is that God's children do not practice sin and the children of the devil practice sin *1 JOHN 3:10. The UNRIGHTEOUS will not inherit the kingdom of heaven but will receive the wrath of God for their disobedience.

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WHO ARE GOD'S SAINTS?

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12 [12], HERE IS THE PATIANCE OF THE SAINTS; HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus.

REVELATION 22:14 BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE AND MAY ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY.

CONCLUSION: God's saints are described as keeping all the commandments of God.

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Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Someone who is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN is NOT IN A SAVED STATE with God they are in an UNSAVED STATE with GOD and unless they seek JESUS in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS they will be lost!

Hope this helps.

 

[Hammster]

QUESTION: Who is living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED STATE before God or an UNSAVED STATE before God?

YOUR ANSWER: They are in a saved state before God.

That was neither the question you asked, nor my answer.

Try again.

 

[Hammster]

I have avoided no such thing and have posted all through this thread that no one is saved by the works of the law and that we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. As posted also all through this thread OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. Please do not say things I have never said brother when I have already posted on this topic.

I guess that’s what happens when you avoid answering direct questions. I asked specifically, multiple times, if Sabbath observance was necessary for justification.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I guess that’s what happens when you avoid answering direct questions. I asked specifically, multiple times, if Sabbath observance was necessary for justification.

I never avoided your question at all. It was always answered here before you asked it. You however are the ones avoiding answering questions not me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That was neither the question you asked, nor my answer. Try again.

Typo which should read

Is a christian who is living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED STATE before God or an UNSAVED STATE before God? * fixed

YOUR ANSWER: They are in a saved state before God.

Sorry God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness (post # 541 linked).

 

[ace of hearts]

No one needs to repent from a phantom sin.

 

[ace of hearts]

Typo which should read

Is a christian who is living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED STATE before God or an UNSAVED STATE before God? * fixed

YOUR ANSWER: They are in a saved state before God.

Sorry God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness (post # 541 linked).

What sin are you talking about?

 

[ace of hearts]

The most important thing to consider with any of this discussion is that who do we believe and follow; the WORD of GOD or the teachings and traditions of men? JESUS says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29. God is calling his people wherever they maybe out from following man made traditons back to the Word of God.

God bless

I believe and follow Jesus and His teachings. I don't follow Moses.

 

[ace of hearts]

Hello brother ilovejcsog, nice to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. God's time is different from our time. God's time for a day is from sunset (start of the new day) to sunset (end of a the day) *GENESIS 1:4-5. Therefore the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH starts at the sunset of the 6th day. This is Friday sunset our time and finished sunset Saturday our time.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation WEEK for mankind *MARK 2:27-28 after mankind was created on the 6th day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:26-31; GENESIS 2:1-3. In the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week God rested from all his Work of CREATION. God also set apart the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK and BLESSED it and made the SEVENTH DAY of the week a HOLY DAY.

JESUS says that the SABBATH was made for mankind as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of the heavens and the earth and that he is the LORD (creator) of it *MARK 2:27-28 and has commanded his people to keep the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH as the 4th commandment in God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what SIN is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20.

So yep plenty of scripture to show God's 4th commandments is a requirement for God's people because it is one of God's 10 commandments that God has given his people to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

On the other hand there is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and tradition of man that has lead many to unknowingly break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God knows however that many do this out of IGNORANCE because they do not know any better but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth he calls us to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29. God is calling his people out wherever they may be to follow him in Spirit and in truth back to the WORD of GOD.

God bless.

There's nothing in the NT requiring the keeping of the 7th day sabbath.

 

[ace of hearts]

He is outright saying that you need to keep the sabbath as not working at all and all the rest, if you work on sabbath you sin, basically he says if you work on sabbath you can go to hell for this... which is something a lot of christians regard as legalistic and that it doesn't apply, and this people are dragging them to keep the law, when the gospel says we aree free from it. etc etc.

It's amazing that those who work on the sabbath are condemned to Hades while providing services for them. I don't know of any Scripture that permits one to take advantage of another's sin.