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I do right now. Is Sabbath observance necessary for justification?
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I do right now. Is Sabbath observance necessary for justification?Indeed let me know when you want to have a discussion.
No you don't wish to have a discussion. You ignore my questions and do not wish to have a discussion. Let me know when you want to have a two way discussion.I do right now. Is Sabbath observance necessary for justification?
They are Christians. There’s no such thing as an unsaved Christian.1. Is a christian in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God if they are living in a life on known unrepentant sin?
There are no commands for Sunday worship.2. Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?
Well you have half answered one question. Did you wish to have a go at the other part which was where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment that is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken is abolished *ROMANS 3:20?There are no commands for Sunday worship.
So I am not misunderstanding you. Your saying a christian can live a life of known unrepenatant sin and is in a saved state with God right?They are Christians. There’s no such thing as an unsaved Christian.
A Christian is a Christian. There’s no such creature as an unsaved Christian.So I am not misunderstanding you. Your saying a christian can live a life of known unrepenatant sin and is in a saved state with God right?
There’s knowledge of sin. But there’s no justification through obedience to the law.Well you have half answered one question. Did you wish to have a go at the other part which was where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment that is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken is abolished *ROMANS 3:20?
There’s knowledge of sin. But there’s no justification through obedience to the law. I guess that answers the question you’ve been avoiding.
A Christian is a Christian. There’s no such creature as an unsaved Christian.
A Christian is a Christian. There’s no such creature as an unsaved Christian.
That was neither the question you asked, nor my answer.QUESTION: Who is living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED STATE before God or an UNSAVED STATE before God?
YOUR ANSWER: They are in a saved state before God.
I guess that’s what happens when you avoid answering direct questions. I asked specifically, multiple times, if Sabbath observance was necessary for justification.I have avoided no such thing and have posted all through this thread that no one is saved by the works of the law and that we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. As posted also all through this thread OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. Please do not say things I have never said brother when I have already posted on this topic.
I guess that’s what happens when you avoid answering direct questions. I asked specifically, multiple times, if Sabbath observance was necessary for justification.
That was neither the question you asked, nor my answer. Try again.
What sin are you talking about?Typo which should read
Is a christian who is living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED STATE before God or an UNSAVED STATE before God? * fixed
YOUR ANSWER: They are in a saved state before God.
Sorry God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness (post # 541 linked).
I believe and follow Jesus and His teachings. I don't follow Moses.The most important thing to consider with any of this discussion is that who do we believe and follow; the WORD of GOD or the teachings and traditions of men? JESUS says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29. God is calling his people wherever they maybe out from following man made traditons back to the Word of God.
God bless
There's nothing in the NT requiring the keeping of the 7th day sabbath.Hello brother ilovejcsog, nice to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. God's time is different from our time. God's time for a day is from sunset (start of the new day) to sunset (end of a the day) *GENESIS 1:4-5. Therefore the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH starts at the sunset of the 6th day. This is Friday sunset our time and finished sunset Saturday our time.
God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation WEEK for mankind *MARK 2:27-28 after mankind was created on the 6th day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:26-31; GENESIS 2:1-3. In the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week God rested from all his Work of CREATION. God also set apart the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK and BLESSED it and made the SEVENTH DAY of the week a HOLY DAY.
JESUS says that the SABBATH was made for mankind as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of the heavens and the earth and that he is the LORD (creator) of it *MARK 2:27-28 and has commanded his people to keep the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH as the 4th commandment in God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what SIN is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20.
So yep plenty of scripture to show God's 4th commandments is a requirement for God's people because it is one of God's 10 commandments that God has given his people to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
On the other hand there is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and tradition of man that has lead many to unknowingly break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.
God knows however that many do this out of IGNORANCE because they do not know any better but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth he calls us to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29. God is calling his people out wherever they may be to follow him in Spirit and in truth back to the WORD of GOD.
God bless.
It's amazing that those who work on the sabbath are condemned to Hades while providing services for them. I don't know of any Scripture that permits one to take advantage of another's sin.He is outright saying that you need to keep the sabbath as not working at all and all the rest, if you work on sabbath you sin, basically he says if you work on sabbath you can go to hell for this... which is something a lot of christians regard as legalistic and that it doesn't apply, and this people are dragging them to keep the law, when the gospel says we aree free from it. etc etc.
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