So then, has anything changed?

[OldWiseGuy]

Not enough. But God is the only one who can effectively change the human condition and change hopelessness into hopefulness.

True. God's spirit causes change.

I stand with my brothers and sisters on the front lines and encourage them to be faithful in the fight against sin and evil.

I'm somewhere in the rear, handling logistics.

You seem to think that it's a "them" problem when it's our problem. Be a source of hope and solution rather than an accuser, which is what the Bible labels Satan as being.

Sure, it's our problem too, but not nearly to the extent that it is their (them's) problem. I am a critic but not an accuser. The problem has two distinct parts; theirs and ours. Their problems cause our problems, and they are not the same problems. The biggest 'problem' is that many in both camps think that racism can be eliminated. That is a false hope. Racism will exist as long as there are irreconcilable differences between peoples. Kipling said it best: "East is east, west is west, and never the twain shall meet."

If I were to accuse anyone it would be the liberal Democrats that have put so many in the black community in a state of dependency for so long.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Parents 'pull their kids over' for no reason as well, just to check up on them.

Mom: "Jimmy, what are you doing up there?"
Jimmy: "Nothing mom."
Mom: "Bobby, what are you doing?"
Bobby: "Helping Jimmy."

 

[SummerMadness]

Black people are children that require police to constantly make sure they're not doing wrong. This is because black people are a bunch of criminals, if they're not doing wrong, they have nothing to worry about. We should treat races differently when it comes to policing else black people will run amok. It's separate policing, but for those that follow the law, they equally get to go home. Racism in a nutshell.

 

[MennoSota]

True. God's spirit causes change.



I'm somewhere in the rear, handling logistics.



Sure, it's our problem too, but not nearly to the extent that it is their (them's) problem. I am a critic but not an accuser. The problem has two distinct parts; theirs and ours. Their problems cause our problems, and they are not the same problems. The biggest 'problem' is that many in both camps think that racism can be eliminated. That is a false hope. Racism will exist as long as there are irreconcilable differences between peoples. Kipling said it best: "East is east, west is west, and never the twain shall meet."

If I were to accuse anyone it would be the liberal Democrats that have put so many in the black community in a state of dependency for so long.

It is our problem. We humans walk in sin and we need need the message of reconciliation to echo across this dark world.
Saying it's not our problem is about as non-biblical as I can imagine. Saying that racism cannot be reduced and eliminated is lazy talk for doing nothing and then blaming others for not resolving the conflict.
What you have shared is disappointing and sad. I would hope for better from the body of Christ.

 

[Hank77]

would you say a police officer was racial profiling if he told dispatch:

tulc(of course there wont be a trial or a defense offered for this particular case because that "suspect" was shot and killed shortly that transmission)

No. ie. video of two white, blonde, men robbing a store. One has a Durante nose.....

Yes, but this leads to silly stops of harassment at times. Stops that are less frequent for a white person.
I mean, honestly, Philando Castile was pulled over, in the night, because the police officer thought he had a wide nose and thus could be a suspect. Nighttime and a cop sees a wide nose in a different car. Really?
Have you ever been pulled over because you meet a robbery description of a wide nosed white person? What does it take for you to shake your head and call it what it is?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't dark out, not from the live stream from the woman's phone.

Didn't think so. It's really easy to spout out unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims, isn't it? One doesn't even have to be honest enough to back up their claims. Just put it out there and people will buy it. At best, someone's individual conjecture and speculation is to be taken as fact. Get back to me when you have hard evidence from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the FBI, the National Institute of Justice and police reports. Until then, all you're doing is fueling the fires of division ... playing right into the hands of Cultural Marxism, no less.

Oh. You posted a video. Wow. I take back everything I just said.

A link was posted to those statistics, you probably just missed it.

 

[SummerMadness]

Racism arose during European colonization, people arguing that racism can never be eliminated is a ridiculous argument considering humans have been around longer than racism. The issue is partly because some people refuse to let go of their racial animosity. Thankfully, these folks are dying out, making the future a much better world for my children and grandchildren.

 

[Foamhead]

Police policies of pulling black drivers over for petty reasons have resulted in finding illegal guns, drugs, outstanding warrants, etc. The policies have saved many more black lives than are lost as a result. Mayor Giuliani's "Broken Window" policy has proven that beyond a doubt.

Ignoring the subtle implication that profiling is good and blacks are more likely to do illegal things, please show the stats backing up that this behaviour has led to finding more drugs, guns etc...

 

[SummerMadness]

Ignoring the subtle implication that profiling is good and blacks are more likely to do illegal things, please show the stats backing up that this behaviour has led to finding more drugs, guns etc...

It's not about whether we're more successful, it's about using the government to put certain racial and ethnic groups in their place.

 

[Winken]

July 14, 2016
Mike Huckabee: When I became governor of Arkansas, a Republican in my state might get 3% of the African American vote. By the time of my reelection as governor, I got 48% of the African American vote. To my knowledge, no Republican white or black in any state of the country has ever done that.

People ask me, “How did you do it?” It’s all about something as simple as building relationships, keeping your word and showing that you have as much interest in people who didn’t vote for you as you do for the ones who did.

It’s not pandering, that’s always counterproductive, but showing true respect, building relationships, sitting down and understanding what the real concerns are in communities where we typically are not found on day to day basis.

 

[pdudgeon]

Have your attitudes or opinions changed as a result of the recent killings?

nope.
if attitudes change as a result of violence, then violence wins and everyone will know that.

 

[Erinny]

Have your attitudes or opinions changed as a result of the recent killings?

Yes. I speak for Emmy too -- we worry a lot more and cry a lot more than we used to when we pray for the world.

 

[Redac]

Racism arose during European colonization, people arguing that racism can never be eliminated is a ridiculous argument considering humans have been around longer than racism. The issue is partly because some people refuse to let go of their racial animosity. Thankfully, these folks are dying out, making the future a much better world for my children and grandchildren.

Racial categories as they exist today are relatively recent, but let's not pretend that what we might call racial animosity did not exist before the evil White man invented it, or that ethnocentrism, tribalism, and the like are not aspects of human existence that have been with us since there even were humans.

And why is when it all came to be relevant? The idea of a sovereign nation-state is recent too. Should we be trying to get rid of that?

 

[pdudgeon]

Racial categories as they exist today are relatively recent, but let's not pretend that what we might call racial animosity did not exist before the evil White man invented it, or that ethnocentrism, tribalism, and the like are not aspects of human existence that have been with us since there even were humans.

And why is when it all came to be relevant? The idea of a sovereign nation-state is recent too. Should we be trying to get rid of that?

well as recent as Genesis before God changed the languages, that is.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Racism arose during European colonization, people arguing that racism can never be eliminated is a ridiculous argument considering humans have been around longer than racism. The issue is partly because some people refuse to let go of their racial animosity. Thankfully, these folks are dying out, making the future a much better world for my children and grandchildren.

My preference for my own race isn't born out of animosity toward others. It's a simple preference. And my social and economic position does nothing to harm minorities.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It is our problem. We humans walk in sin and we need need the message of reconciliation to echo across this dark world.
Saying it's not our problem is about as non-biblical as I can imagine. Saying that racism cannot be reduced and eliminated is lazy talk for doing nothing and then blaming others for not resolving the conflict.
What you have shared is disappointing and sad. I would hope for better from the body of Christ.

I wasn't speaking for or about the church, but the world in general. Observing and opining on racism and it's problems is just that, observation and opinion.

Was Jesus lying (or speaking only to his generation) when he said "the poor are always with you"? If we try to 'stamp out' poverty are we denying the veracity of his words, or simply fighting a losing battle. IMO fighting racism is a noble but losing battle until Christ returns.

Regarding who is on the 'front lines' of the battle I think I am as I interact personally with many minorities, to serve their housing needs. Over a 40 year period my tenants have included,

Blacks
Turks
Thais
Taiwanese
Japanese
Chinese
Palestinian
Israelis
Indians
Pakistanis
Ghanaian
Latinos
Spanish
I also presently serve two transgender 'women'.

I have received praise from all the above.

 

[MennoSota]

I wasn't speaking for or about the church, but the world in general. Observing and opining on racism and it's problems is just that, observation and opinion.

Was Jesus lying (or speaking only to his generation) when he said "the poor are always with you"? If we try to 'stamp out' poverty are we denying the veracity of his words, or simply fighting a losing battle. IMO fighting racism is a noble but losing battle until Christ returns.

Regarding who is on the 'front lines' of the battle I think I am as I interact personally with many minorities, to serve their housing needs. Over a 40 year period my tenants have included,

Blacks
Turks
Thais
Taiwanese
Japanese
Chinese
Palestinian
Israelis
Indians
Pakistanis
Ghanaian
Latinos
Spanish
I also presently serve two transgender 'women'.

I have received praise from all the above.

You switched the goal post on me. Our earlier discussion was about racism and how you think it cannot be eliminated. Now you've switched it to poverty. Are you attempting to juxtapose the two as being one? I don't think you can legitimately do that.
The poor don't have to be racist. In fact, I would suggest that they may be less racist than the rich who benefit from an economic system of race privilege.
As to your activity, thanks for sharing. Now, how has the events that recently took place, affected or changed your perspective, as the OP has asked.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Ignoring the subtle implication that profiling is good and blacks are more likely to do illegal things, please show the stats backing up that this behaviour has led to finding more drugs, guns etc...

Sure.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...likely-to-have-guns-or-drugs-than-minorities/

You have to read this article between the lines as well, and place it in the context of "Broken Windows".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You switched the goal post on me. Our earlier discussion was about racism and how you think it cannot be eliminated. Now you've switched it to poverty. Are you attempting to juxtapose the two as being one? I don't think you can legitimately do that.
The poor don't have to be racist. In fact, I would suggest that they may be less racist than the rich who benefit from an economic system of race privilege.
As to your activity, thanks for sharing. Now, how has the events that recently took place, affected or changed your perspective, as the OP has asked.

I didn't switch anything. You tossed the faith into the discussion, I did not. My point is that some problems won't be solved until Christ returns. I believe that racism, along with poverty, is one of them.

The accusation of racism by outspoken blacks, including BLM, has reinforced my critical view of them as being more harmful than helpful to their own cause. How does the fallacious "Hands Up Don't Shoot" or the cry to kill police help their cause?

When I see that response I step back.

 

[MennoSota]

I didn't switch anything. You tossed the faith into the discussion, I did not. My point is that some problems won't be solved until Christ returns. I believe that racism, along with poverty, is one of them.

The accusation of racism by outspoken blacks, including BLM, has reinforced my critical view of them as being more harmful than helpful to their own cause. How does the fallacious "Hands Up Don't Shoot" or the cry to kill police help their cause?

When I see that response I step back.

Racism, as pointed out earlier by another poster, is not human nature. It hasn't always been and it doesn't have to continue.
Poverty is a different issue. It touches on the fact that there will always be a hierarchy of elites in every culture that will work to suppress others and keep them from rising to the same status.

Various forms of caste systems can be eliminated, but another form will take its place. This is why socialism fails. It seeks equality, yet it creates an elitist group that controls all groups below it.
We can, and should, seek to eliminate injustice whenever it raises its ugly head. Racism is one of those forms of injustice we can eliminate, but it will be a fight because many elites gain privilege from the system.

 

[tulc]

Why stop now?

Ouch! That stung.
tulc(might even cry a little bit)