So then, has anything changed?

[dogs4thewin]

Thousands may die , perhaps thousands all races, creeds, country and ethnic, are killed, every day..... for over 2 generations already....
and 2 billion more will soon(2 billion within years) die of plague, famine, war, pestilence, violence...

Matthew 24:12
KJ21
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
ASV
And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
AMP
Because lawlessness is increased, the love of most people will grow cold.
AMPC
And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity,

within years? you mean soon because if so we cannot say when the Lord is coming again. It may be tomorrow, ten years from now, 100 years from now or 1000 years from now.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

within years? you mean soon because if so we cannot say when the Lord is coming again. It may be tomorrow, ten years from now, 100 years from now or 1000 years from now.

Which one is not soon (Biblically speaking) ? (of your choices?)

 

[dogs4thewin]

How about the opposite side of the bolded portion? That not every shooting is justified and they each need to be just as rigorously investigated as any other shooting?
tulc(after all, all shootings matter as well all lives)

Yes, we should treat ALL shootings the same that was my point. Often, it seems when a minority is killed people shout racism, yet when a white is killed there is no such outrage. That is why I said we should not shout racism just because the person was a certain color.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Which one is not soon (Biblically speaking) ? (of your choices?)

the 1000 year one. 100 years is not particularly soon, either.

 

[tulc]

Yes, we should treat ALL shootings the same that was my point. Often, it seems when a minority is killed people shout racism, yet when a white is killed there is no such outrage. That is why I said we should not shout racism just because the person was a certain color.

My point was more that police shootings needed to be just as scrutinized (more so actually) as any shooting.
tulc(agrees with your point also, sorry is it seemed otherwise)

 

[dogs4thewin]

My point was more that police shootings needed to be just as scrutinized (more so actually) as any shooting.
tulc(agrees with your point also, sorry is it seemed otherwise)

For example, we may need to start looking into the prior conduct of an officer (on the force) I mean as well as any video.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Of course her life matters. However, the term "Black Lives Matter" does not denigrate other lives that have tragically ended. Instead, it highlights the fact that innocent black people are much more likely to be pulled over and mistreated by police than their light skinned brothers and sisters. Their right to be treated equally needs to be discussed and police protocols need to change so that a black man driving his BMW in a suburban neighborhood is not followed and pulled over on an erroneous suspicion that the black man may be cruising for trouble. Too many times this scenario plays out and sometimes an innocent black man is killed on such an erroneous suspicion.


Now, look at the picture I posted and see how it is parallel to the "all lives matter" statement you are trying to make.

Well, and this may not always be the case, but sometimes there are ADDITIONAL reasons that they are pulled over and detained in ADDITION to the fact that they are black.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Police policies of pulling black drivers over for petty reasons have resulted in finding illegal guns, drugs, outstanding warrants, etc. The policies have saved many more black lives than are lost as a result. Mayor Giuliani's "Broken Window" policy has proven that beyond a doubt.

Yet, it is still illegal and, as such those blacks have the right to have it thrown out of court.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Well, I just gave my opinion. BLM is movement built on lawbreaking and race baiting. If it really was about police brutality then they would come up with a new hashtag, but it's not about police brutality: it's about playing the victim and getting mad when people don't buy into it.

thank you. I am NOT saying that there may not be SOME truth to the idea, but the fact that when a black is killed there is outage and when a white is killed there is none is just as racist.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Yes, and those exact policies will result in the same crimes with white drivers. Pull over the same percentage of white drivers driving BMWs in suburban neighborhoods and we'll have equity.

Equity is really what this conversation is about. Let's stop giving white drivers a pass while stopping a disproportionate number of black drivers.

Believe it or not. Rich white folks transport illegal drugs in their cars. Who do you think is buying most of the drugs?

Yes they do, BUT if they do not have proable cause then EITHER race has the right to have the case dismissed. If a black gets pulled over for a traffic stop that has PC and either consents to a search or the officer has additional PC to believe that there are drugs in the car then they may be charged. If a white is pulled over on and like traffic stop and the same implies then they can be charged. If EITHER race is pulled over in an ILLEGAL traffic stop and drugs are found they have the right under the law to get that edvence thrown out of court and the case dismissed.

Yes, and those exact policies will result in the same crimes with white drivers. Pull over the same percentage of white drivers driving BMWs in suburban neighborhoods and we'll have equity.

Equity is really what this conversation is about. Let's stop giving white drivers a pass while stopping a disproportionate number of black drivers.

Believe it or not. Rich white folks transport illegal drugs in their cars. Who do you think is buying most of the drugs?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Well, I've never shared my opinions on this subject previously, but yes, they have remained somewhat the same. My opposition to the movement has actually strengthened with the recent anti-cop rhetoric.

Mine, as well, the more violence that the movement admits to their members OR supporters doing the less creditability I give them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Police reform is anti-cop! We should continue practices of racial profiling because it has found weapons and drugs despite finding nothing 98-99% of the time. Oh, but that's being anti-cop.

They have to be able to prove racial profiling ( if that is their defense in court as to why the charges should not stand. If the defense can not prove that and the state has otherwise proven their case the defendant loses.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Generality noted. Now how about looking at dash cam video, audio, forensics, blood tests......ya know, FACTS?

An event occurs that some say support a narrative; when FACTS are presented that may discount the narrative concerning said event, FACTS are waved away. We've seen this before, again, and again, and yes, again.

and that applies no matter the races of the people involved.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Again, look at the large number of white folks that get off without being cuffed and stuffed at a traffic stop.
Look at how Hillary got away with crimes that no military person could ever get away with just because of her status as a rich white woman.
White folks have been creating a false narrative for over 250 years in North America...that's just the facts.

Yes, it is wrong that money can get you off, but money can get you off no matter your race ( think OJ) so really if anything we need to address that.

 

[dogs4thewin]

White on white crime is a big problem in this country.

White on white crime is a big problem in this country.

Anyone has said that is not.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Says the poster that ignores the studies that show racial bias like the ineffectiveness of stop and frisk, or the Justice Department report that showed the bias within the Ferguson Police Department. Or how about the broad level of corruption at the Oakland Police Department. Then the disparity in drug arrests for marijuana despite similar usage levels across racial groups. There are many facts that show disparities, you just choose to ignore them.

Again, IF racial profiling can be PROVEN in a given case the defendant lawfully may and must be found not guilty, BUT if the defendant raises SOLELY that defense it is up to him or her to prove it. (though by a MUCH lower standard than the state must prove a person's guilt.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Again, the mirror shines right back at your own narrative as you seek to avoid changing behavior in our society.

Well, you cannot really force other people to change.

 

[MennoSota]

Well, you cannot really force other people to change.

This is true. Also, President Bush was right on when he said that we humans tend to judge others by the worst examples we can think of while we judge ourselves by our best intentions.
We all tend to create a narrative where we are the good persons in the story.

 

[MennoSota]

Yes, it is wrong that money can get you off, but money can get you off no matter your race ( think OJ) so really if anything we need to address that.

Indeed, but all things being equal, there is still a double standard in regard to skin color.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Indeed, but all things being equal, there is still a double standard in regard to skin color.

so blacks with money are more likely to be convicted than whites with money? I am just making sure that I am understanding correctly.