So far -- has Trump supported your Christian values? POLL

[GACfan]

Most people don't vote thinking on the Constitution but thinking in the "benefit for their own group", if others do that then Christians should not be ashamed of doing it.

Perhaps it is perfectly acceptable to compromise one's personal moral convictions and even set aside Christian principles for some Christians if they can acquire and maintain some political power to push a conservative Christian agenda within the federal government by supporting a morally depraved and politically corrupt Republican President. If that's what's going on within the Christian Right now, then I can see why Trump's Christian voting base defend him as if their very existence depended upon it.

It doesn't seem to matter if more vile and malicious speech spews out of Trump's mouth or perhaps it wouldn't matter if he had another affair with a inappropriate content star or if he was caught red-handed somewhere sexually groping another woman or if he stood in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shot someone as long as he continues to politically pander and appease his conservative supporters. If the majority of his loyal Christian supporters haven't drawn a definitive moral line in the sand within the three years he has been the President (despite his vastly immoral and unethical behavior), then it is actually highly unlikely that his supporters will ever draw a moral line in the sand, even if he was guilty of murder.

 

[Not David]

Perhaps it is perfectly acceptable to compromise one's personal moral convictions and even set aside Christian principles for some Christians if they can acquire and maintain some political power to push a conservative Christian agenda within the federal government by supporting a morally depraved and politically corrupt Republican President. If that's what's going on within the Christian Right now, then I can see why Trump's Christian base defend him as if their very existence depended upon it.

It doesn't seem to matter if more vile and malicious speech spews out of Trump's mouth or perhaps it wouldn't matter if he had another affair with a inappropriate content star or if he was caught red-handed somewhere sexually groping another woman or if he stood in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shot someone as long as he continues to politically pander and appease his conservative supporters. If the majority of his loyal Christian supporters haven't drawn a definitive moral line in the sand within the three years he has been the President (despite his vastly immoral and unethical behavior), then it is actually highly unlikely that his supporters will ever draw a moral line in the sand, even if he was guilty of murder.

I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton during the last presidential election because I felt like I would have compromised my personal moral convictions as a Christian if I did vote for one of them. I chose not to succumb to the "lesser of two evils" narrative because neither one is the "lesser" in that scenario.

Isn't that the purpose of democracy? Vote for the one who harms you the less?

 

[creslaw]

I am always surprised at the personal vitriol directed at President Trump ... I think it shows that person as being sanctimonious rather than being able to discriminate between right & wrong behaviour.

 

[Davidz777]

No Trump hasn't, but then neither has any Democrat candidate. The last 3 presidential elections I chose to write in "The Invisible Man" and expect to do so in 2020 given the likely abysmal choices again.

 

[jgarden]

I am always surprised at the personal vitriol directed at President Trump ... I think it shows that person as being sanctimonious rather than being able to discriminate between right & wrong behaviour.

This President has engaged in "personal vitriol" on a daily basis for the past 3 years and now he is "reaping" what he has "sowed!"

History will not be kind to "Donald J" and those who supported him - Harding, Johnson, Buchanan and Pierce can all now rest peacefully in their graves, secure in the knowledge that they will no longer be considered America's worst presidents!

 

[Hank77]

Yup like him or not God put Trump into his position.
I think He showed us some mercy.
M-Bob

In the 2016 primaries was Ted Cruz on the CA ballot?

 

[GACfan]

This President has engaged in "personal vitriol" on a daily basis for the past 3 years and now he is "reaping" what he has "sowed!"

History will not be kind to "Donald J" and those who supported him - Harding, Johnson, Buchanan and Pierce can all now rest peacefully in their graves, secure in the knowledge that they will no longer be considered America's worst presidents!

Donald Trump is definitely known by the fruit he bears in his life... sexual immorality, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, and factions (Galatians 5:19-21). And from out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth speaks and he spews out malicious vile like a raging river.

 

[Not David]

Donald Trump is definitely known by the fruit he bears in his life... sexual immorality, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, and factions (Galatians 5:19-21). And from out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth speaks and he spews out malicious vile like a raging river.

You haven't checked the US Founding Fathers.

 

[GACfan]

double post

 

[GACfan]

You haven't checked the US Founding Fathers.

Why would I? They are all dead and none of them have any bearing whatsoever on Trump's personal behavior, but I can see the apparent need to deflect from his immoral behavior by his loyal supporters.

 

[Not David]

Why would I? They are all dead and none of them have any bearing whatsoever on Trump's personal behavior, but I can see the apparent need to deflect from his immoral behavior by his loyal supporters.

No need to vent. I am just saying that they have done terrible things but they are recognised

I have criticized President Trump in some occasions.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

fruit he bears in his life... sexual immorality, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, and factions

Yes, I am sure glad we never suffer from those.
That Trump -- what are we going to do with him -- imperfect guy that he is.
MB

 

[GACfan]

Yes, I am sure glad we never suffer from those.
That Trump -- what are we going to do with him -- imperfect guy that he is.
MB

Remember that the next time you create a thread to point a judgmental finger at Elizabeth Warren for lying or create a thread about some other Democratic politician for their unethical behavior.

 

[Go Braves]

Remember that the next time you create a thread to point a judgmental finger at Elizabeth Warren for lying or create a thread about some other Democratic politician for their unethical behavior.

There's no hope at all this is going to be remembered, though of course it ought to be.

 

[GACfan]

There's no hope at all this is going to be remembered, though of course it ought to be.

And yet Trump's loyal Cristian supporters haven't a hint of moral confliction pointing out the sins of any Democratic politician (such as Elizabeth Warren) while they dribble out their excuses like the one we just read or insisting they voted for a President and not a Pastor or insisting that Trump shouldn't be judged for his sins. It's no wonder that their moral indignation is no longer being taken seriously.

 

[Go Braves]

And yet Trump's loyal Cristian supporters haven't a hint of moral confliction pointing out the sins of any Democratic politician (such as Elizabeth Warren) while they dribble out their excuses like the one we just read or insisting that they voted for a President and not a Pastor or insisting that Trump shouldn't be judged for his sins. It's no wonder that their moral indignation is no longer taken seriously.

True. But they'll keep on going to echo chambers, giving them the illusion that their moral indignation is taken seriously.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Romans 3:10-12 English Standard Version (ESV)
10 as it is written:

A)" data-cr="#cen-ESV-27986A" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

 

[Go Braves]

Romans 3:10-12 English Standard Version (ESV)
10 as it is written:

A)" data-cr="#cen-ESV-27986A" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

Excellent verse to describe Donald Trump, Bob.

 

[GACfan]

Romans 3:10-12 English Standard Version (ESV)
10 as it is written:

A)" data-cr="#cen-ESV-27986A" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

Trump supporters should remember this passage before creating another thread or posting another judgmental comment to cast a few stones at a Democratic politician for their immoral behavior.

 

[GACfan]

True. But they'll keep on going to echo chambers, giving them the illusion that their moral indignation is taken seriously.

I think it simply demonstrates that their repeated attempts at virtue-signaling are completely futile.

Excellent verse to describe Donald Trump, Bob.

Go Braves, remember that some of Trump's Christian supporters insist that they voted for a President and not a Pastor. However, this attempt at justification isn't extended when it involves a Democrat.